Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile
<teemu.savolainen@nokia.com> Sun, 26 December 2010 09:06 UTC
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From: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile
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For a set of terminals you could probably make a patch or add-on (very much like VPNs), but afaik these same "sortsighted market forces" are not so interested to provide IPv6 for legacy terminals, but are planning to wait for the rather quick device replacement cycle to do the job. The thing might be different if there were some must-have IPv6-only services that just would have to be made available also for the legacy terminal owners.... But there's none. And as said many times, the host based tunneling in cellular networks was just considered too problematic in overall (e.g. our attempts to push for DS-Lite as a solution to serve legacy IPv4-only apps were rejected because of the problems of tunnels). Best regards, Teemu ----- Original message ----- > On Sat, 25 Dec 2010, teemu.savolainen@nokia.com<mailto:teemu.savolainen@nokia.com> wrote: > > > The 6RD does not really help in 3GPP based cellular networks, because > > the root cause is not lack of technologies to offer IPv6 > connectivity, > > but lack of business interest to do so. And when the business > interest > > really arises the small problems like lack of baseband IPv6 support > and > > such are sure to be promptly fixed. > > 6RD might be of help if this means an old device can gain DS > connectivity > by means of installing an app (I have no idea if it can be done for > Apple > iOS and Android devices) where the baseband upgrade would cost money > and > the vendor is not interested in forking out this money for devices > already > sold. > > And the rest of your email just describes why short sighted market > economy > often doesn't do the right long term thing, but discussing this would be > a > political discussion so let's not get into that. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se<mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se> >
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Martin Millnert
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile teemu.savolainen
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile teemu.savolainen
- Re: [v6ops] Worse than NATed IPv4? [was IPv6 for … Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile teemu.savolainen
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile teemu.savolainen
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Xiangsong Cui
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Thomas Habets
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Worse than NATed IPv4? [was IPv6 for … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Ted Lemon
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Thomas Habets
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
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- Re: [v6ops] Worse than NATed IPv4? [was IPv6 for … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile teemu.savolainen
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