Re: [v6ops] What problem are we trying to solve? (Re: A broken promise - "You said PD Prefix Valid Lifetime is going to be X" (Re: SLAAC renum: Problem Statement & Operational workarounds))

Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 13 November 2019 05:08 UTC

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From: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] What problem are we trying to solve? (Re: A broken promise - "You said PD Prefix Valid Lifetime is going to be X" (Re: SLAAC renum: Problem Statement & Operational workarounds))
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> On Nov 12, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote:
> 
> So, upon a CPE crash and reboot, the subscriber would get a different
> prefix. Right?

Change "would" to "could", and you're probably close. In general, I would expect ISPs to not want to randomly change their routing, and so it would not be deterministic - if the customer is no longer using a prefix (e.g., the CPE crashed and routing has changed anyway), when the CPE comes back up they might give it a different prefix. However, I'd be surprised if they did it "just because".