Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6 Transport Operational Guidelines
Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Sat, 11 November 2023 04:45 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6 Transport Operational Guidelines
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> > Failure takes time. If a server is serving large responses over IPv6 it may take longer and may take some time to conclude that a response cannot reach the querier over IPv6. To recommend that this extended time SHOULD be the default seems to me to lack adequate operational motivation and lack some cohesion elsewhere in this space to shave off delay elements. TLS 1.3, QUIC, etc.. It we are all for a slower DNS then lets be upfront with that desire! ( :-) ) > In fairness, isn’t working around this sort of thing a big part of Happy Eyeballs (for better or worse)? Owen
- [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6 Tra… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Mark Elkins
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Havard Eidnes
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Havard Eidnes
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Marco Davids (IETF IMAP)
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Havard Eidnes
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Gert Doering