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Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-ula-usage-recommendations-02.txt

Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Fri, 21 February 2014 17:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-ula-usage-recommendations-02.txt
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On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Lorenzo Colitti wrote:
> 
>> I will be the first to support a draft that documents *real* experience of ULA in a *real* deployment. But documenting use cases without having actually used them for real... sorry, that's hubris.
> 
> At least one of the top10 residential deployments on http://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/ uses ULAs and reportedly hasn't seen any customer complaints related to ULAs.
> 

Most residential customers don’t even realize that an internet without NAT is possible.

Many ISPs run NAT IPv4 solutions with zero customer complaints.

Lack of customer complaints, especially in residential, is really not the bar I think we should be striving for here. A big part of the point of IPv6 is to provide the ability to restore an end-to-end internet. Aiming for an internet that merely avoids uninformed non-technical users complaining about the service being worse than the degraded service they have always experienced until now is not going to allow us to come anywhere near that goal.

> This isn't really the corporate use case I believe we're discussing here but...
> 
> Just to be clear, I am not a ULA fan, but I am all for documenting things.

I’m all for documenting reality. I’m not for advocating solutions that are unproven or discussing poor choices in a bizarrely positive light which is, IMHO, the current state of this draft.

Owen

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