Re: [v6ops] Please review the No IPv4 draft

Tina TSOU <Tina.Tsou.Zouting@huawei.com> Tue, 15 April 2014 09:01 UTC

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From: Tina TSOU <Tina.Tsou.Zouting@huawei.com>
To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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Dear Gert et al,

Should it be addressed in sunset4 WG?
  

Thank you,
Tina


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From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gert Doering
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:36 PM
To: Mikael Abrahamsson
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Please review the No IPv4 draft

Hi,

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:27:41AM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Niall O'Reilly wrote:
> 
> >  Is the noise/signal (stet!) ratio in client-generated traffic 
> > already  so low that a few DHCPDISCOVERs per client would be noticeable?
> 
> If you have thousands of devices in the same domain, so yes.
> 
> Also, you have to remember that some devices will try to ARP for 
> "everything" when IPv4 is still turned on (using its IPv4 LL address).
> Having IPv4 be completely turned off on a LAN actually makes quite a 
> lot of sense.
> 
> So yes, there is a use-case.

I agree to this.  Interestingly, this is something else than "just shutdown the dhcpv4 client if this option is detected" - it is "shutdown IPv4", which many OSes can't do today at all (and yes, that needs fixing).

Gert Doering
        -- NetMaster
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have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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