Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//RE: new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhcpv6-slaac-problem

Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net> Tue, 29 October 2013 20:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//RE: new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhcpv6-slaac-problem
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Hi Andrew,

On 10/29/13 4:20 PM, Andrew Yourtchenko wrote:
> 
> 
> Take a look and see if this captures the things any better.
> 
> It's a very tricky section. There's an intertwine of "DHCPv6 was not 
> allowed to do any routing" + the implicit "I got an RA therefore
> that router exists" (though "I got a DHCP offer from that router
> therefore that router exists" is also can be argued for) + the

But you do not know that the DHCPv6 message you received came from a
router or a server.

Regards,
Brian