Re: [v6ops] IPv6-only mobile ISP alliance

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Fri, 12 January 2018 09:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPv6-only mobile ISP alliance
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Le 12/01/2018 à 10:45, Tore Anderson a écrit :
> * Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
> 
>> There must be something in Norway as well, something like 'Telenor' if I
>> remember correctly, it was the first one to do true IPv6 to smartphone
>> (not 464XLAT).
> 
> «True IPv6» is a prerequisite for 464XLAT, so this statement does not
> really make any sense.

Ah.  I definitely have to work my vocabulary.

> That said, Telenor was not the first. I think that award might go to
> Verizon Wireless in the United States.

In terms of years, IIRC, I received an invitation in year approximate 
2007 to go to Norway and try native IPv6 on mobile phone there (it was 
straight IPv6 on phone, not IPv6-in-IPv4, which was done even earlier, 
like 2001).

> I am not certain, but they
> definitively arrived earlier to the IPv6 party than Telenor did at
> least.

Could be.

> Telenor did initially launch 464XLAT for a small number of UEs, but
> this approach was abandoned in favour of dual stack. Their deployment
> is currently just shy of 75% IPv6 according to my own measurements:
> 
> https://munin.fud.no/vg.no/www.vg.no/vg_ds_telenor_mobil.html

These figures are impressive, showing a majority of traffic is IPv6.  It 
is very encouraging.

> There's also another small Norwegian PLMN called Ice that has rolled
> out IPv6. As far as I've been told they are also using dual stack, not
> 464XLAT.

Ah, good to know, this dual stack.

ALex