Re: [v6ops] IPv10 Discussion in v6ops

Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> Mon, 14 September 2020 15:12 UTC

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From: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
To: Ola Thoresen <ola@nlogic.no>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPv10 Discussion in v6ops
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Yes, but WHO will do that modification, those will do it:

Google, Apple, Cisco, Microsoft, Huawei, Juniper, Fortinet, etc.......

Not the USERS.

Khaled Omar

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From: Ola Thoresen <ola@nlogic.no> 
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To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>om>; v6ops@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPv10 Discussion in v6ops

On 14.09.2020 16:23, Khaled Omar wrote:

>>> You say this is not a new protocol, but you still specify a header format in section 4 of your draft.
> The discussion will keep repeating if the ietf will not show a different solution to the community that suffers now from the depletion of IPv4.


No. The discussion keeps repeating because you do not realize that you are trying to suggest that ALL hosts on the internet needs to be updated to support _another_ protocol than IPv4 and IPv6.  A "protocol" you have invented.  Nobody else is bringing this suggestion up again and again.



> Regarding the new packet header, users will not have a problem with it, its migration from v4 packet to v10 packet, that’s all.


USERS don't have a problem with IPv6 headers either.  But their hardware might have issues.  And their OS will definitely have issues with this new protocol.  And all their firewalls, access lists, applications, security policies etc needs to be reconfigured in the exact same way if they decide to start using "IPv10" as they would if they started using IPv6.


Rgds.

/Ola (T)