Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt - Privacy Properties

Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> Thu, 20 July 2017 16:52 UTC

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From: Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt - Privacy Properties
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> On 20 Jul 2017, at 17:45, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
> 
> Tim Chown wrote:
>> For campus network wifi, you get accountability through eduroam.
> 
> s/campus network/eduroam campus network/
> 
> There are lots of different types of campus, and campus type networks.

Well, the discussion was around best practice discussion, and in that light eduroam should be aspirational. It’s deployed in 70-80 countries, but the underlying 802.1x can be used in any campus, and on wired links as well.

>> Many hotspots have zero authentication.
> 
> Sadly, there is an increasing number of situations which refuse hotspot
> connectivity without authentication, depending on a variety of situations.
> 
>>> Note that in cases like hotspots and campus wifi, you would be
>>> well advised not to have any expectations of privacy to start with,
>>> so in the general case, it would be questionable as to whether
>>> these networks would be bcp204 compliant to start with.  This isn't
>>> a blanket statement or a position of intent, btw - just an
>>> observation that if you use someone else's network resources, you
>>> are subject to their policies. </ymmv>
>> 
>> Yeah things like GDPR would come into play. But let’s not go down
>> this rathole; the point is that different scenarios will have
>> different expectations and requirements.
> 
> indeed, and the ietf needs to acknowledge this explicitly.

Feel free to suggest text for Node Requirements -bis...

Tim