Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis-05: (with COMMENT)
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 23:12:37 +0000
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis-05: (with COMMENT)
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On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:56 PM Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > On 21/10/2017 10:33, Tommy Pauly wrote: > > > > > >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Brian E Carpenter < > brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Eric, > >> > >> On 21/10/2017 09:45, Eric Rescorla wrote: > >>> Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for > >>> draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis-05: No Objection > >>> > >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > >>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > >>> introductory paragraph, however.) > >>> > >>> > >>> Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html < > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html> > >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > >>> > >>> > >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis/ < > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis/> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> COMMENT: > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> This document should provide a rationale for why you are favoring v6 > over v4 > >>> addresses when v4 addresses resolve first. Is there some technical > reason > >>> (e.g., it works better) or is there just a political reason (we want > to push > >>> people to v6). > >> > >> I don't think that's a political desire. IPv6 in general works better, > >> because it isn't encumbered by NAT. > >> > >> Can you please provide a reference to a measurement showing that this > is true? > >> -Ekr > > > > For the draft, I'm going to update it to point to the IPv6 RFC (RFC > 8200) to point to the various design benefits that an implementation may > favor. > > > > While I agree that in our experience, we've seen performance benefits > gained by avoiding NATs, etc, I don't believe that we have the correct > material to reference from this draft to assert that point. > > Yes, we sadly lack serious scientific measurement about this, and about > NAT-induced > transaction failures too. There are data on the prevalence of CGN but not > on its effects on user performance and reliability, as far as I know. > > So, Eric, I can't answer your challenge. > > Brian > Noted Tommy’s update to 8200. But we also like ipv6 better than Ipv4 because it is cheaper. >From a mobile network operator perspective, ipv4 NAT paths are dramatically more expensive (cost creating and maintaining session state in hw on the CGN, complex large scale stateful software , ALG bugs, buying public IPv4 address to feed the CGN ...., per transaction or per port block in time logging for LEA, secure storage of said logs, ... ). > > > > Thanks, > > Tommy > >> > >> So we want to push people to v6 > >> for technical reasons. > >> > >> > >> > >> Brian > >> > >>> I could live with either, but the document should be clear IMO. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> v6ops mailing list > >>> v6ops@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org> > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops < > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops> > >>> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops >
- [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-iet… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla