Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt
Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Mon, 17 July 2017 21:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt
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> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/v6ops/current/msg24278.html + this url for the diffs > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-v6ops-host-addr-availability-05 see section 8 - recommendations. Nick Ted Lemon wrote: > The RFC doesn't say that anywhere in it. There is no version of the > draft that was published on 2/12/2016. The -01 version of the draft > was published in March of that year; the final version in July. Can > you please point out the place in the text where it says what you are > saying it says? > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:47 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org > <mailto:nick@foobar.org>> wrote: > > draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00 has just been posted as an ID. > > It has recently been claimed that IETF best current practice is that > DHCPv6 is not recommended due to the recommendations section in > RFC7934/BCP204. > > The relevant text was slipped into > draft-ietf-v6ops-host-addr-availability-05 on Feb 12, 2016, a couple of > days before the document went into IETF LC. There was no discussion > about this text change either in the v6ops working group or at IETF > review or IESG level: perhaps the modification appeared innocuous or > maybe it just wasn't not noticed. > > Next thing, there's a BCP which is being interpreted as meaning that > DHCPv6 is NOT RECOMMENDED for operational use. Wow. :-) > > This presents a variety of problems, the most serious of which are 1) > that a BCP is implying that the use of DHCPv6 was "NOT RECOMMENDED" > without extensive discussion or debate about this particular issue at > the relevant working group, and ignores the both the widespread use of > the protocol and its active development at the ietf, and 2) that a > change in the status of DHCPv6 to "NOT RECOMMENDED" leaves a huge hole > in the IPv6 host specification. > > Job and I believe that this went through by mistake and that if the WG > had noticed the change at the time, consensus would never have been > reached on what is a serious semantic change to IETF lore. > > Right now, the most prudent course of action would be to roll back the > change until a proper debate has been had. We invite WG comments on > this doc. > > Nick > > internet-drafts@ietf.org <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: > > A new version of I-D, draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Nick Hilliard and posted to the > > IETF repository. > > > > Name: draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update > > Revision: 00 > > Title: Update for IPv6 Host Address Availability > Recommendations > > Document date: 2017-07-17 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 4 > > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt > <https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt> > > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update/ > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update/> > > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00> > > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00 > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00> > > > > > > Abstract: > > The IPv6 Host Address Availability Recommendations Best Current > > Practice (RFC 7934), describes why IPv6 hosts should use multiple > > global addresses when attaching to a network. This document > updates > > RFC 7934 by removing a recommendation for networks to give the host > > the ability to use new addresses without requiring explicit > requests. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org>. > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops> > >
- [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-h… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Job Snijders
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Scott Morizot
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Scott Morizot
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Scott Morizot
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard