Re: [v6ops] WG Doc? draft-gont-v6ops-ipv6-ehs-packet-drops

otroan@employees.org Thu, 17 March 2016 21:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] WG Doc? draft-gont-v6ops-ipv6-ehs-packet-drops
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Joel,

>>> I get the impression that discussions on EHs are unpopular, because
>>> people don't like to admit when there's a problem. But being n
>>> engineering group, I think we better admit problems and do our best to
>>> come up with solutions, than pretend there's no problem at all.
>> 
>> the problems are well known, just that there aren't any solutions.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that isn't an acceptable answer in the long run. If one
> belives that we should be offering guidance to implementors and
> operators such that filtering is either less a persistent violation of
> expections or ceases to be an issue in the long term. simply pretending
> that the issue doesn't exist is a pretty bad message to developers.

let me ask differently.

how is this "problem" any different from:
 - "unknown" L4 header
 - IPsec encryption
 - L4 encryption (it's all port 443)
 - tunnels

Cheers,
Ole