Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications
Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com> Fri, 19 June 2015 22:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications
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David, All of this is good news. Thank you. I assume the goal is for Apple users to have a good experience on production ipv6-only nat64/dns64 network. When do you expect mobile operators to be able to launch production quality ipv6-only? When should the apn config flip from ipv4 to ipv6? Finally, are you running your iPhone on ipv6-only LTE? I am. It is very important to eat the dog food. CB On Friday, June 19, 2015, David Schinazi <dschinazi@apple.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to clarify a few points about Apple's IPv6 announcements during > WWDC 2015. > The video (streaming with Safari or download with all browsers) and slides > of that talk > are available at: https://developer.apple.com/videos/wwdc/2015/?id=719 > > *) Personal hotspot on iOS > If your iPhone has dual-stack connectivity on its cellular network, the > hotspot it creates > will be dual-stack as well. The phone will share its prefix with Wi-Fi > clients. > > *) Internet Sharing on the Mac > Today, regular internet sharing (from your ethernet to Wi-Fi for example) > does not > support IPv6 because of the limited use cases, and the lack of demand for > it. > > *) Internet Sharing on the Mac - NAT64 testing mode > The NAT64 test mode was designed to help developers ensure that their app > can still > function with IPv6-only NAT64+DNS64 connectivity and communicate with > their IPv4 > server, even if the developer does not have access to the IPv6 internet. > That NAT64 > network does not have IPv6 connectivity to the global IPv6 internet. As > such, the current > version advertises addresses from 2001::/64 instead of ULAs to simulate > real IPv6 > connectivity, as all IPv6 packets are terminated at the NAT64 server on > the Mac. > This implementation detail could change in the future. > > *) Making IPv4 literals work on NAT64 networks when using high-level APIs > Starting with this year's versions, if you use NSURLSession to connect to > an IPv4 > literal on an IPv6-only NAT64-DNS64 network, the API will bump in a IPv6 > literal > synthesized using RFC 7050. Note that this will not happen when using > sockets > directly. We do not support under-the-sockets bump-in-API (RFC 3338) and we > do not support 464XLAT. > > *) Happy Eyeballs > We've heard feedback on our Happy Eyeballs implementation and are > investigating > this topic. > > Note that this reflects how these technologies work in the current > versions of the > 2015 betas, many of these details could change in future betas. Please > keep in mind > that these betas are previews and we welcome feedback on improving them. > > Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, I will also attend > IETF93. > > Thanks, > David Schinazi > Apple CoreOS Networking Engineer >
- [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Jeremy Visser
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Ross Chandler
- [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: Appl… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Erik Nygren
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Paul Saab
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Howard, Lee
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … 🔓Dan Wing
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications Heatley, Nick
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications 🔓Dan Wing
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Jared Mauch
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Jared Mauch
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … holger.metschulat
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Vízdal Aleš
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Vízdal Aleš
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications Heatley, Nick
- Re: [v6ops] Happy eyeballs suggestions, was: Re: … Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications … Alexandru Petrescu