Re: [v6ops] [BEHAVE] protocols without need for ALG ?

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 04:52:17AM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> > Ehhh. For something as forward looking as anima , it is unfortunate that
> > you believe you will need to bring this technical debt with you.
>
> 
> Yes, but we assume that during the phasing-in of autonomic operations,
> we will be forced to interface to legacy NOCs.

Right. It's just like siit-dc, just the opposite: We want to enable
the IPv6 only autonomic network (like they an IPv6 only DC) of course
to also encourage the IPv6 centric/only NOC but to get started also provide
a simple, isolated, and easily removed solution (hack ?) to connect to
legacy IPv4 NOC in our case (in siit-dc some legacy IPv4 (network)).

> Personally I think I
> disagree with NAT46 and NAT64 as the way to handle this

Actually i now think siit-eam is the easiest way - which i think is
an extension of stateless NAT64, but i don't claim i am using all
the terminology right.

> but Toerless
> is asking the right questions in order to have this debate over on the
> Anima list.

Right. once i'm back from PTO after next week...


Cheers
    toerless

> 
>     Brian
> 
> > 
> > My suggeation is that you require ipv6 for this case. If you do not shed
> > this requirement now, you will carry it with you forever.
> > 
> > The iphone can require ipv6 apps, so can anima.
> > 
> > CB
> > 
> > 
> >> If i understand the NAT RFCs and behave output correctly, we primaerily
> >> want ALGs to go the way of the dodo, so i was wondering if there might be
> >> any crucial protocols between typical NOC equipment and network devices
> >> that
> >> would require ALGs. And better of course:knowing which protocols would be
> >> fine
> >> without ALG.
> >>
> >> Are there any lists about this (eg: what requires ALG ?)
> >>
> >> Wrt to what seems to be important between NOC and network devices:
> >>
> >>    FTP     - NOK (requires ALG) - IMHO not a problem
> >>    traceroute - ??  (initiated from v4 NOC) ??
> >>    telnet  - OK
> >>    ping    - OK ?
> >>    SSH/SCP - OK
> >>    syslog  - OK
> >>    TFTP    - OK ?
> >>    radius  - OK ? (i ran some tests, seemed to be fine)
> >>    diameter/tacacs+ - OK ?
> >>    NTP     - OK ???
> >>
> >>    For the following, that have extensible data-models (MIBs/OIDs, XML
> >> schema etc.),
> >>    i can see that some NOC tools relying on them might not support
> >> data-models
> >>    with IPv6, but that would be "fine" (aka: can't manage everything from
> >> such tools,
> >>    but transport stack works):
> >>
> >>    netconf - OK ?
> >>    SNMP    - OK ?
> >>
> >> Whats the next most important NOC<->network management protocols... ?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>     Toerless
> >>
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