Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-ehs-packet-drops-01.txt

"Dale W. Carder" <dwcarder@es.net> Wed, 14 October 2020 16:19 UTC

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:19:46 -0500
From: "Dale W. Carder" <dwcarder@es.net>
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-ehs-packet-drops-01.txt
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Thus spake Fernando Gont (fernando@gont.com.ar) on Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 09:37:38AM -0300:
> The rev is available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-ehs-packet-drops-01

In section 7.4, is it worth referencing covert channel risk from rfc6437's
section 6.1?

In section 7.1, I thought there was a class of devices (routers) where if
configured with a packet filter / acl that when unable to find the upper 
protocol information buried past the size of the lookup engine would actually 
forward traffic even if the policy was to deny.  I could have sworn I saw 
this topic fly by on the v6ops list, but I can't find it (thus I don't want 
to mistakenly name and shame).

I am not sure if I agree with the last paragraph of 6.1 which opines on
the low adoption of rfc6437-style flow label hash entropy.  I would 
expect that the current low adoption in ecmp implementations is a 
chicken/egg problem.  If you have a product that needs to hash and you are 
not confident there is enough adoption in host stacks, you are still forced 
to hunt for entropy from the upper-protocol protocols.  Otherwise all the 
legacy host traffic with the flow label set to 0 risks getting hashed 
entirely to one side or face reordering.

Dale