Re: [v6ops] Worse than NATed IPv4? [was IPv6 for mobile]
Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Sun, 26 December 2010 10:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Worse than NATed IPv4? [was IPv6 for mobile]
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Hi, On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 02:49:25PM +1100, Hesham Soliman wrote: > => Yes I know that but I don't think you'd seriously say that IPv6 support > was ready because 10% of the OS's supported it. That's silly. Beta releases > by MS cannot count for any serious deployment. I can't believer we're > discussing this I'm just inserting some facts into the claims you have made. But it doesn't really matter - you obviously have some very strong beliefs how the IPv6 world is going to develop, and some other participants on this list have abandoned these ideas a few years ago already. We run a full dual-stacked backbone and office network, and are working on getting all the Internet facing servers to be dual-stacked - but for the access customers (eyballs), the move to dual-stack has been extremely slow in the last 13 years, and it's hard to believe that this is going to change all of a sudden. "If they have enough IPv4 addresses to run dual-stack, what's the benefit in running dual-stack?" Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- did you enable IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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