Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requirements-00.txt
Hesham Soliman <hesham@elevatemobile.com> Mon, 19 November 2012 13:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requirements-00.txt
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I made several comments on this document and are all included in Lorenzo's comments below. Therefore I'm of the same opinion regarding WG adoption. Hesham -----Original Message----- From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Date: Monday, 19 November 2012 7:39 PM To: <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Cc: IPv6 Ops WG <v6ops@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requirements-00.txt >I do not think this document is ready for WG adoption. > >To start with, I see a few general issues. > >First, the document is attempting to standardize behaviours that are >already standardized by 3GPP. This is leads to many of the requirements >being redundant because they are already included in 3GPP specs. If the >manufacturer is violating those specs already, I doubt that an RFC that >says "don't violate those specs" is going to have any effect at all. This >also presents the problem that if the 3GPP standards are updated, the >text becomes out of date. > >Second, most of this document attempts to standardize feature sets, not >protocols or interoperability. I'm not sure this is is in scope for the >IETF, and even more so for an operations group inside the IETF. > >Third, IETF work is supposed to proceed in parallel with running code, >not in the absence of running code. I very doubt there are two >interoperable implementations that satisfy all these requirements >(actually, I doubt that any real implementation satisfies even half of >them). Attempting to specify these requirements will not change that. > > >Moving on, at least these requirements are redundant and should be >removed or replaced by a reference to the appropriate specs: > > >REQ#3: Redundant with 3GPP specs. >REQ#4: Redundant with 3GPP specs. >REQ#5: Redundant with 3GPP specs. >REQ#6: Redundant with IPv6 node requirements. >REQ#7: Redundant with IPv6 node requirements. >REQ#7: Redundant with IPv6 node requirements and 3GPP specs. > >REQ#15: Redundant with RFC 6724. >REQ#17: Redundant with 3GPP specs. > > > >A few specific comments as well: > >REQ#1: why do you need to cite RFC 5952? It has nothing to do with >connecting to cellular networks, and it's already in RFC 6434 (IPv6 Node >Requirements). > > >REQ#10: Not clear what happens if more than one provisioning method >provides DNS. Should the phone just information from one of them? Or >should it list all of them in priority order? > >REQ#11: Not clear to me what this means. I understand the "implement the >NAT64 discovery heuristic" requirement, but not the part that references >RFC 6052. What does the host need to implement from RFC 6052? > > >REQ#18: Meaningless. Saying "MAY" in a requirements document is no better >than saying nothing. > >REQ#25: What is the point of supporting RFC 5175 if it defines no new >flags? > >REQ#27: Why support DHCPv6 PD if no mobile networks will support it for a >number of years? > >REQ#28: Duplicate of #12. > >On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:47 PM, <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: > > > > >Dear all, > >As discussed in the v6ops meeting, we re-submitted a new version of the >text which does not update RFC3316. > >We hope this new version is ready for the WG adoption. > >Cheers, >Med > >-----Message d'origine----- >De : i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] >De la part de internet-drafts@ietf.org > > > > >Envoyé : lundi 12 novembre 2012 07:42 >À : i-d-announce@ietf.org >Objet : I-D Action: draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requirements-00.txt > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > > > Title : Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6) Requirements >for Cellular Hosts > Author(s) : David Binet > Mohamed Boucadair > Ales Vizdal > Cameron Byrne > Gang Chen > Filename : >draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requirements-00.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2012-11-11 > >Abstract: > This document lists a set of IPv6-related requirements to be > supported by cellular hosts. > > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requireme >nts > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requirements-00 > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >_______________________________________________ >I-D-Announce mailing list >I-D-Announce@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >Internet-Draft ><https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announceInternet-Draft> >directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >_______________________________________________ >v6ops mailing list >v6ops@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >v6ops mailing list >v6ops@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops
- [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requireme… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Pete Vickers
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Jouni
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Vízdal Aleš
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-requi… Vízdal Aleš