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Re: [v6ops] The need for local-ipv4 socket transition solutions -- NAT64/DNS64 remains insufficient

"Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> Fri, 03 April 2015 21:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] The need for local-ipv4 socket transition solutions -- NAT64/DNS64 remains insufficient
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> On 03 Apr 2015, at 21:15 , Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote:
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> > On 03 Apr 2015, at 20:57 , Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> wrote:
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> > On 4 Apr 2015 3:08 am, "James Woodyatt" <jhw@nestlabs.com> wrote:
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> > > That's an overly general statement, which is why I'm pushing back. A more specific statement you could make is that the IPv4 programming interfaces need to be supported on general-purpose multi-program hosts that operate on IPv6-only networks which bear a strong resemblance to yours.
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> > James,
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> > what do you purpose as a better alternative?
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> > Suppose that, as you say, not all popular OSes implement 464xlat. Aren't we just changing the outcome from "we'll never get away from IPv4-only socket calls" to "we'll never get away from running IPv4"? If so, how is that better?
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> > You could well argue that for as long as IPv4 is around, we'll never get rid of IPv4 socket calls either, because it's impossible for anyone to impose a "thou shalt not write an IPv4-only app" policy without placing themselves at a competitive disadvantage.
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> Ok, so we need a monthly global “we’ll get rid of all these 512k IPv4 prefixes in BGP for you”-day and the problem will be solved by christmas.  It’s probably good enough if 5 major transport networks will do it once for a start, very much like 5 major content players started making loud noises 10 years to late for IPv6.  June 6 2016?  Who’s in for a long weekend?
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> If you can say crazy things, so can I.
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> On my mobile network, this is really not that crazy of a statement at all.
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> I just need one more mobile OS vendor to implement 464XLAT and IPv6-only will be every device of any consequence by default in the store.

No.  And no.   What you need is that things just work IPv6 end-to-end.

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