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Re: [v6ops] Worse than NATed IPv4? [was IPv6 for mobile]

Rémi Després <remi.despres@free.fr> Mon, 27 December 2010 09:07 UTC

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Le 26 déc. 2010 à 11:43, Gert Doering a écrit :
> ...
> I think one of the important differences is the software ecosystems on
> the PC vs. the mobile.  On a mobile, you just don't have that many 
> "legacy applications" that people insist must continue to work - and if
> the mobile programming environment is halfway sane, apps will handle IPv6
> right away, instead of the programmer having to choose between an IPv4-only
> API that they know, and "something new" that they are not paid to learn...
> 
> (Or, phrasing it differently, I have hope for the mobiles, while PCs 
> inevitable are a bag of legacy cruft and users that insist that a 20-year-
> old game that is using IPv4 via an IPX-to-IPv4 adaption shim still has
> to work...)

IMHO, operators should prefer solutions that work for the complete 3GPP-customer ecosystem:
- simple smartphones (with all applications capable of both v4 and v6) 
- high-end smartphones, capable of supporting many applications and acting as routers
- PCs with USB sticks and/or behind smartphone that act as routers routers
- ...

Regards,
RD

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