Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6 Transport Operational Guidelines

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Fri, 24 November 2023 08:28 UTC

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 09:28:21 +0100
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6 Transport Operational Guidelines
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Hi,

On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 06:09:55AM +0000, Geoff Huston wrote:
> On 11 Nov 2023, at 7:44???pm, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
> 
> > Either we go for "IPv6 everywhere, IPv4 can be turned off" or we declare
> > failure, and go back to IPv4 + NAT everywhere.  Dual-stack forever is
> > not something I am willing to do.
> 
> After more than twenty years of hearing this, I'm well and truly over "IPv6 now!",
>  "Go for IPv6" and other vacuous phrases - they add nothing to a
> rational conversation about how to keep the network functioning efficiently
> and effectively.
>
> Go read https://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2023-11/dns-ipv6.html to get a clearer
> explanation of the issues here about the DNS, UDP and IPv6.

"The issues here" do not give us guidance about how to *proceed*.

What is the goal we should aim for in 5 years?

Presenting measurements and stating "I see spooky things" is valid, but
there need to be consequences - "abandon IPv6, if beyond repair" or
"do this and that, to move onwards".

Standing there and declaring "it's broken, but meh" is not helping us
move towards an Internet that needs less day-to-day tending to operate
(and this would be a single-stack Internet for me, either way).

Gert Doering
        -- NetMaster
-- 
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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