Re: [v6ops] Some stats on IPv6 fragments and EH filtering on the Internet

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Tue, 05 November 2013 03:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Some stats on IPv6 fragments and EH filtering on the Internet
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On 11/04/2013 06:23 PM, Ole Troan wrote:
>> 
>> In any case, the interesting (and unfortunate) data if the
>> chances of success when you use extension headers or
>> fragmentation are in the scale of "unlikely". :-(
> 
> I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion without knowing where
> the fragments are dropped.
> 
> e.g. you are not saying that fragmented packets will be dropped 
> anywhere on the link between your home and mine, are you?

I'm certainly not. All tests were against web servers.


> I'm for example not concerned about a web server or load balancer 
> that sets TCP MSS to 1220 and then drop fragments.

Certainly, there's much more testing to be done (this is even stated in
the slideware :-) ). That said, you might still be concerned about the
case you meantion -- at least in theory, that case might arise in a
NAT64 (?) case.

Also, one of the main points of this slideware is that its not just
fragments that are dropped, but extension headers in general.

In any case, my goal of sharing the results is to trigger discussion
and encourage further testing, rather than coming up with scary or
bold statements.

Thanks,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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