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Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organizations

Enno Rey <erey@ernw.de> Thu, 16 October 2014 16:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organizations
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Hi,

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:11:41AM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:

> 
> So, some folk thought: "Hey, not announcing my aggregate and not
> providing connectivity between the aggregate announcement and the
> little islands I created is a grand plan!" and were surprised when
> things went badly...

well, $FOLK might have good reasons to act in that way, based on their business models and network design.

to put it equally bluntly, those folks wonder: "hey, we pay a hell lot of money to our uplink providers and they fail to deliver what we contracted, that is transporting our traffic".
see the examples in https://www.ernw.de/download/RIPE69_Rey_Langner_Slash48_Considered_Harmful_v082_DRAFT.pdf.

best

Enno



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