Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-rfc3316update
<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Fri, 21 September 2012 13:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-rfc3316update
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Re-, Please see inline. Cheers, Med >-----Message d'origine----- >De : Hesham Soliman [mailto:hesham@elevatemobile.com] >Envoyé : vendredi 21 septembre 2012 15:34 >À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP >Cc : IPv6 Ops WG >Objet : Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-rfc3316update > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>A few quick comments on the drat having gone through it quickly. >>>>> >>>>>1. Requirements 1 and 2 are sort of redundant in an IETF >>>document. The >>>>>purpose od RFC 3316 was t specify IETF protocols that should >>>>>be supported >>>>>by the cellular host. PDP context has nothing to do with >>>IETF protocols >>>>>and functionally speaking it's outside of the IP stack. >>>>>Therefore, I see >>>>>no reason for specifying this in an RFC. It's not harmful, but >>>>>since it's >>>>>specified elsewhere, having such redundancy can lead to >>>>>confusion if 3GPP >>>>>specs change for example. So it's best to remove them. >>>> >>>>Med: I see the point but we consider it from another perspective: We >>>>tried to answer to the question "What a device should support >>>in order to >>>>be IPv6-compliant + be able to be connected to a3GPP network". >>> >>>=> So why don't you talk about the radio interface? :) >> >>Med: is this related to IPv6? ;-) >> >> It's >>>out of scope. >>>The PDP context is the same. It's out of scope for IETF. >>> >>> >>>>There is no single document defining an IPv6 profile for cellular >>>>hosts/devices. We wanted a single document listed both IETF and 3GPP >>>>specification. >>> >>>=> There is, RFC 3316, which you're trying to update and it >>>doesn't talk >>>about link layers. >> >>Med: This is not a reason to not include it in the update. > > >=> But you're not responding to the reasons I stated above. It's out of >scope because it's not defined in IETF. Med: Should we care about frontiers between SDOs when the goal is to ensure interoperability? IMHO, we should not. What we want to achieve with this document is to list a basic set of IPv6 requirements for cellular hosts no matter if the requirement is defined in IETF or 3GPP. My current take is: it is useful to have in one common place both IETF and non-IETF REQs. I see you don't agree with this position. This is still an individual submission. If the WG adopts this work, then we will record whatever the WG wants us to do: If the consensus is to drop those 3GPP-related requirements, then we will do it.
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-rfc3… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… GangChen
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… GangChen
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… jouni korhonen
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Hesham Soliman
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… MAWATARI Masataka
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… jouni korhonen
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… jouni korhonen
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… Anupam Kapoor
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-binet-v6ops-cellular-host-reqs-… mohamed.boucadair