Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Fri, 30 January 2015 18:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call
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Hi,

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 04:57:28PM +0000, david.binet@orange.com wrote:
> > > the WG position hasn't materially changed; the document has.
> > 
> > To some extent, reality has changed.  There are a number of large scale production
> > wireless 3G/4G deployments out there, so the claim "it cannot be done because
> > handsets sucks" is most definitely no longer true.
> [DB] Whatever the IPv6 deployment status in a given country, we can't say that IPv6 deployment is ready everywhere. In some countries lack of IPv6 support in some mobile devices is still an issue. 

This is a global world, and (maybe except for the chinese market), handset
vendors ship globally - so I bet that an Android handset that works well
in T-Mobile USA's and Verizon Wireless' network has enough IPv6 support
to work on your network as well...

OTOH, I have a number of Telco-branded devices here that can *not* do
IPv6, even if the original vendor firmware *does* IPv6.  So this is really
a matter of the Telcos telling their handset / USB / router vendors to
enable IPv6 in the build shipped to them.  So that wishlist makes sense
to have as a Telco, but I'm not convinced it's a useful IETF document
(I don't see Telcos following IETF or 3GPP recommendations in other 
fields either if they don't want to.  Like, implementing IPv6, which is
mandatory in the 3GPP specs since ever...).

Gert Doering
        -- NetMaster
-- 
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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