[v6ops] Re: Carrying large DNS packets over UDP in IPv6 networks

Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com> Sat, 15 June 2024 11:48 UTC

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Hi Daryll,
  +1 to both Bob’s and Geoff’s points. UDP Lite handles the case where packets are delivered with bit errors (such as in some radio networks). I do know from past experience UDP Lite could provide helpful advantages in some wireless networks with high bit error rates.  It will not help in the cases where the UDP datagram is completely dropped in the network due to exceeding the path MTU at an intermediate hop. An UDP lite packet of the same size will suffer the same fate. 

Thanks 
Suresh

> On Jun 14, 2024, at 1:16 PM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Daryll,
> 
> This draft is about carrying large DNS packets.   The abstract:
> 
>    This document describes an approach to how Domain Name Protocol (DNS)
>    should be carried over IPv6.  There have been some operational issues
>    identified in carrying DNS packets over IPv6 and this draft proposes
>    solutions to address them.  A summary of what is proposed is to limit
>    IPv6 DNS responses over UDP to be 1280 octets and use TCP or QUIC for
>    anything larger.
> 
> As far as I can tell UDP-lite isn’t relevant to better ways of handle large DNS packets.   The UDP checksum is not the issue.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2024, at 5:10 AM, Daryll Swer <contact=40daryllswer.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Suresh
>> 
>> Just a question that I'm curious about. Has there ever been any research or testing done, on any potential benefits of using UDP-Lite (which supports partial checksum) instead of regular UDP (or the more complex QUIC) for a use-case such as large DNS packets perhaps?
>> 
>> A long time ago, when I did basic UDP-Lite testing, I observed that it traverse through (my small sample size) the DFZ and NAT boxes with no problem.
>> 
>> --
>> Best Regards
>> Daryll Swer
>> Website: daryllswer.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 at 17:25, Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>   At the last 6man meeting in Brisbane, Jared Mauch brought up an issue with large DNS packets carried over UDP in IPv6 networks. Bob and I have written a draft recommending the use of TCP or QUIC for such large packets instead of UDP. 
>> 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hinden-v6ops-dns/
>> 
>> We would greatly appreciate your comments on this draft.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Suresh
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