[v6ops] Re: Dispatching Happy Eyeballs Version 3

Philip Homburg <pch-v6ops-13@u-1.phicoh.com> Tue, 16 July 2024 09:30 UTC

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>    1000% agree here.
> 
> 
>    HE is masking IPv6 network problems we need to add some sort of
>    notification/alerting somewhere.

HE is typically embedded in end-user applications running on roaming client
devices.

In my opinion it would be wrong to have applications send reports about
client traffic to random third parties without the user's consent.

I think it is also unlikely that many people will of can give consent because
first they are not aware there is HE and second they don't understand what
it does of what they are consenting to.

So I would suggest that we don't go too far in this rabbit hole.