Re: [v6ops] draft-vf-v6ops-ipv6-deployment

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Sun, 04 April 2021 08:40 UTC

Return-Path: <prvs=1728987ea5=jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DC03A1D4E for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 01:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.998
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=consulintel.es
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oi4yXrncpixE for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 01:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:495::5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A77E3A1D4B for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 01:40:38 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1617525635; x=1618130435; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns/txt; h=User-Agent:Date: Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:References:In-Reply-To: Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; bh=WSRA/Bfy 7jNCa59MMJJAFy0uQMuZ14xFUQx3XIiZ7/8=; b=lWDXAUuEHhGqGmTBO0Tp4fY3 9IjROXK0Tg6yMDjq0/VjqJ9d+Ha0JdlTXjC7IdH9vWAdiNV6RnoU/KeKhQrAqr6P DyARAe1AN/RANOcRdgVlWXwjG07vkxP94hZ6WAFLBop1yu/sjmvPQ0T9I33vCFT1 8+M+GcFPlhyYKU1j5wQ=
X-MDAV-Result: clean
X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Sun, 04 Apr 2021 10:40:35 +0200
X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Sun, 04 Apr 2021 10:40:35 +0200
Received: from [10.10.10.144] by mail.consulintel.es (MDaemon PRO v16.5.2) with ESMTPA id md50000563925.msg for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 10:40:34 +0200
X-MDRemoteIP: 2001:470:1f09:495:d5f4:8f2d:9c4b:4e5
X-MDHelo: [10.10.10.144]
X-MDArrival-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 10:40:34 +0200
X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es
X-Return-Path: prvs=1728987ea5=jordi.palet@consulintel.es
X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es
X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: v6ops@ietf.org
User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.47.21031401
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 10:40:34 +0200
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
To: <v6ops@ietf.org>
Message-ID: <653E4CF5-B992-4F65-B58D-C00D06F1CBB9@consulintel.es>
Thread-Topic: [v6ops] draft-vf-v6ops-ipv6-deployment
References: <BL0PR05MB5316425C5650B5D2FE43DE4DAE6C9@BL0PR05MB5316.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <a498117e-4834-41f8-5c90-ad7734d07220@hit.bme.hu> <e770fec1-2189-f683-6c74-36e32541c53d@gmail.com> <abe65114-d9c9-10ee-2c78-449051acbb61@hit.bme.hu> <3c50c72b-b606-a6cf-3095-f08ad48eecf5@gmail.com> <2A0C2B40-2DA4-4941-A09F-5BD31EDA3301@consulintel.es> <2e64b426-3a0a-b5f8-0306-005e9f1023d0@gmail.com> <72754d29-8b57-66fa-2b3a-fc6680c339f2@hit.bme.hu> <69744eb4-2f2e-6876-eba7-c439c5c4db9d@gmail.com> <A9D618FB-00B5-4D87-8D1F-2AE28EF29F62@consulintel.es> <202103281513224517773@chinatelecom.cn> <847EF067-1076-4AC4-9349-2992181119DB@consulintel.es> <43c05777-01c3-df81-9da1-64abd6dc8c91@gmail.com> <0f404c54-c4df-bcf4-bd8b-3aa5e28136fd@otenet.gr> <a21b11c9-f806-03a3-4043-64d418e18ae7@gmail.com> <81504815-0517-f397-bf62-17340be91ca6@otenet.gr> <76df8734-cb77-4302-e141-5398b0259f0b@gmail.com> <919e5ab3-d338-5433-3b6d-ef7cca2b6cef@otenet.gr> <98045685-0F9C-4D09-9BD3-4933AF1CE20F@consulintel.es> <84c79a21-26f7-4a2e-d0f4-779137b5c775@otenet.gr>
In-Reply-To: <84c79a21-26f7-4a2e-d0f4-779137b5c775@otenet.gr>
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/iAYRgXYmfcEDlZe1QbLcuZ0H_hw>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-vf-v6ops-ipv6-deployment
X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: v6ops discussion list <v6ops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/v6ops/>
List-Post: <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 08:40:45 -0000

Hi Yannis,

I've no doubt that you explained it before, I just missed it.

However, I'm aware of a couple of lw4o6 deployments that worded fine (I will try to see if I could convince the people involved in speaking up in the list, as I'm not sure the info is public yet). So, I'm guessing that it is something related to one specific vendor. I think we all know that sometimes, good protocols have bad implementations

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 2/4/21 17:11, "v6ops en nombre de Yannis Nikolopoulos" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de yanodd@otenet.gr> escribió:

    Hi Jordi,

    On 4/1/21 8:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
    > Hi Yannis,
    >
    > When you say inmaturity of lw4o6, do you mean that something in the protocol is broken, lack of support from vendors or something else?

    as I've written in the past, we had performance issues with our lwaftr 
    and the vendor was reluctant to continue (much needed) dev/ment because 
    of lack of interest from other ISPs. I would imagine that things haven't 
    improved much during the past 3 years :(

    regards,
    Yannis

    >
    > Regards,
    > Jordi
    > @jordipalet
    >   
    >   
    >
    > El 1/4/21 17:23, "v6ops en nombre de Yannis Nikolopoulos" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de yanodd@otenet.gr> escribió:
    >
    >      Hello Brian,
    >
    >      On 3/31/21 11:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
    >      > Yannis,
    >      > On 31-Mar-21 20:25, Yannis Nikolopoulos wrote:
    >      >>
    >      >> On 3/30/21 11:18 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
    >      >>> On 31-Mar-21 07:33, Yannis Nikolopoulos wrote:
    >      >>>> On 3/28/21 9:47 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
    >      >>>>> Dual stack has no time limit
    >      >>>> (for us ISPs) it has, it painfully has, if your user base is still growing
    >      >>> Isn't that what CGN was invented for? That's the incumbent technology, with IPv4aaS as a new alternative.
    >      >> Yes, but CGN usually implies single stack, hence my comment.
    >      > That isn't clear to me. Maybe I am biased because of the model
    >      > described by https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6264.
    >
    >      well, 6264 (combined with the immaturity of lw4o6) was the inspiration
    >      we needed to rethink our NAT444 a few years back, so thank you :)
    >
    >      regards,
    >      Yannis
    >      >      Brian
    >      >
    >
    >      _______________________________________________
    >      v6ops mailing list
    >      v6ops@ietf.org
    >      https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops
    >
    >
    >
    > **********************************************
    > IPv4 is over
    > Are you ready for the new Internet ?
    > http://www.theipv6company.com
    > The IPv6 Company
    >
    > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
    >
    >
    >
    > _______________________________________________
    > v6ops mailing list
    > v6ops@ietf.org
    > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops

    _______________________________________________
    v6ops mailing list
    v6ops@ietf.org
    https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops



**********************************************
IPv4 is over
Are you ready for the new Internet ?
http://www.theipv6company.com
The IPv6 Company

This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.