Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call

"Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com> Tue, 03 February 2015 19:18 UTC

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> On Jan 30, 2015, at 4:21 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
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> With all due respect, I'm afraid we are not discussing whether the document is needed or not but (as I see it) whether the new version does not break the WG consensus that was declared for the version sent to the IESG. I recall that both the WG and IETF consensus were declared for the version sent to the IESG.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile/history/

That’s not quite the way I recall it. In the WG, consensus has always been rough. I sent it out when the number of people stating a dissenting position dwindled. In the IETF LC in September 2013, James, Lorenzo, and Owen made comments that caused Joel to withdraw it from the IESG. In the IETF LC in September 2014 and subsequent IESG discussion, comments were raised by several in the IESG and summarized by Brian Haberman to the effect that the document has serious issues. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile/ballot/. In this round, you have tried to address the issues raised.

Before I bother the IESG with it a third time, I’d really like to hear a clear consensus, not a rough one. Where it stands right now, that’s not at all obvious.