Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-ula-usage-recommendations - work or abandon?

George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> Fri, 13 November 2015 00:24 UTC

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From: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
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Strong +1. We need to stop using FUD on future routing cost to limit how we
design systems for enterprises and homes. By all means lets constrain
current behaviour to scale with memory and CPU, but to set limits 5-10-15
years out based on fear of a situation which is unlikely to emerge, and
will emerge into different technology and models.. Well its sad.

Its Dionysius Lardner "60mph will kill humans, stop speeding up steam
trains" thinking.

Whats even weirder, is that its some people who helped displace prior art,
telephone number centric thinking who are doing it. How come the former
rebels have become the empire?

_G

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
>
>> And how many SME's are there in the world?  This paper [1] puts the
>> number at 125M MSME world wide.  That's 125M routing slots if
>> everyone gets a /48.
>>
>
> I doubt that all but a small fraction of those SMEs actually need
> multihoming. But even for those that do - we should be working on making it
> possible to multihome using src+dst routing, not NPT66 or NAT66.
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