Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6
Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko <ayourtch@gmail.com> Wed, 10 September 2014 13:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6
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On 9/10/14, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote: > On 09/09/2014 12:41 PM, Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko wrote: >> >> Of course, the amount of manual work this requires today means that >> the A-bit is turned off and the DHCPv6 is being used. Which may be >> perfectly okay - but if it is not, and we do assert that "An RA with >> prefix having an A-bit set and default settings, should not cause the >> 10x expansion to the resource requirements compared to Legacy IP", >> seems like some sort of a correction in default stacks/apps behavior >> with respect to temporary addresses could be useful. > > FWIW: > <https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-gont-6man-managing-privacy-extensions-01.txt> Yes, we even discussed this draft with you at some point :-). My opinion (while agreeing with the spirit of this draft, somewhat) is still - it is too late. All it would do today is split the hosts into two groups - who understand this bit, and those who do not, adding more difficulty to the life of network administrator, who, having turned the knob "no temp address please" would expect one behavior, and get a mix of two in the best case. (This all puts aside any philosophical arguments of whether the network should dictate the nodes whether they can use the temporary "privacy" addresses or not: temporary addresses go against the incentives of basically *any* sufficiently large network administrator, so this bit would be almost universally on). If the host OSes/apps want to be sensible with the usage of temporary addresses, they can do so without any flag. --a > > Thanks, > -- > Fernando Gont > SI6 Networks > e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com > PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492 > > > > >
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Chuck Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian Haberman
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian Haberman
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian Haberman
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian Haberman
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian Haberman
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Erik Nordmark
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Chuck Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Erik Nordmark
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Interesting problems with using IPv6 Mikael Abrahamsson