[v6ops] Dynamic addresses

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 09 August 2024 23:26 UTC

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My ISP used to change my prefix whenever there was a power cut and the modem restarted. Now, it appears to be stable.

But I don't understand the statement "breaks SLAAC on the LAN". A change of prefix renumbers the LAN, but that doesn't break SLAAC, it just causes SLAAC to renumber everything. It will only break active sessions.

Regards
    Brian

On 10-Aug-24 10:13, Ted Lemon wrote:
> In order to do this, they would have to not renew a previously assigned prefix. I think some German telecoms used to do this as a privacy message, but it was operationally very difficult because it doubled demand for prefixes.
> 
> Where are you seeing this irl, and how does it happen?
> 
> Op vr 9 aug 2024 om 15:08 schreef Daryll Swer <contact=40daryllswer.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:40daryllswer.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>
> 
>     Tim, is there something we can do to encourage not only "more than a /64", but also encourage "static ia_pd to ensure the customer will not experience broken IPv6 connectivity due to ever changing prefixes".
> 
>     Too many ISPs out there do dynamic IPs and breaks SLAAC on the LAN.
> 
>     I feel this draft could be a powerful tool, in the hands of the end user to get these ISPs doing the right way of IPv6 more often.
> 
>     --
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>     On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 7:37 PM, Timothy Winters <tim@qacafe.com <mailto:tim@qacafe.com>> wrote:
> 
>         Yes.  I've seen several instances of /64 being used for container networks on CPEs.
> 
>         ~Tim
> 
>         On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 9:38 AM The Multach's <jmultach@swbell.net <mailto:jmultach@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
>             So are these considered a LAN link prefix assignment under 7084 L2:
> 
>             - Assignment of a /64 prefix for internal IPv6 communication between a
>             primary SoC and a secondary chip (e.g., a Wi-Fi chip which uses IPv6).
> 
>             - Assignment of a /64 prefix for usage by an internal container or VM.
> 
> 
>             On 8/9/2024 7:56 AM, Timothy Winters wrote:
>              >
>              >
>              > On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 10:58 PM The Multach's <jmultach@swbell.net <mailto:jmultach@swbell.net>> wrote:
>              >
>              >     The following, while being user focused, fails to take into
>              >     account that
>              >     some of those prefixes may be used internally (or reserved for
>              >     internal
>              >     use) by the CPE or for ISP purposes and not assignable:
>              >
>              >     "SHOULD" (or an elongated exception for the above) would be more
>              >     appropriate.
>              >
>              >     LPD-4: After LAN link prefix assignment the IPv6 CE Router MUST
>              >     make the
>              >     remaining IPv6 prefixes available to other routers via Prefix
>              >     Delegation.
>              >
>              > I think this covers that case.   After local assignment, unused
>              > prefixes MUST be made available.
>              > LPD-2:  The IPv6 CE Router MUST assign a prefix from the delegated
>              >            prefix as specified by L-2 [RFC7084].
>              >
>              > 7084
>              >    L-2:   The IPv6 CE router MUST assign a separate /64 from its
>              >           delegated prefix(es) (and ULA prefix if configured to provide
>              >           ULA addressing) for each of its LAN interfaces.
>              >
>              >
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