[v6ops] Dynamic addresses
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 09 August 2024 23:26 UTC
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[Public service announcement: as of now, I'm spam-filtering messages with 'Digest' subject headers.] My ISP used to change my prefix whenever there was a power cut and the modem restarted. Now, it appears to be stable. But I don't understand the statement "breaks SLAAC on the LAN". A change of prefix renumbers the LAN, but that doesn't break SLAAC, it just causes SLAAC to renumber everything. It will only break active sessions. Regards Brian On 10-Aug-24 10:13, Ted Lemon wrote: > In order to do this, they would have to not renew a previously assigned prefix. I think some German telecoms used to do this as a privacy message, but it was operationally very difficult because it doubled demand for prefixes. > > Where are you seeing this irl, and how does it happen? > > Op vr 9 aug 2024 om 15:08 schreef Daryll Swer <contact=40daryllswer.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:40daryllswer.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> > > Tim, is there something we can do to encourage not only "more than a /64", but also encourage "static ia_pd to ensure the customer will not experience broken IPv6 connectivity due to ever changing prefixes". > > Too many ISPs out there do dynamic IPs and breaks SLAAC on the LAN. > > I feel this draft could be a powerful tool, in the hands of the end user to get these ISPs doing the right way of IPv6 more often. > > -- > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 7:37 PM, Timothy Winters <tim@qacafe.com <mailto:tim@qacafe.com>> wrote: > > Yes. I've seen several instances of /64 being used for container networks on CPEs. > > ~Tim > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 9:38 AM The Multach's <jmultach@swbell.net <mailto:jmultach@swbell.net>> wrote: > > So are these considered a LAN link prefix assignment under 7084 L2: > > - Assignment of a /64 prefix for internal IPv6 communication between a > primary SoC and a secondary chip (e.g., a Wi-Fi chip which uses IPv6). > > - Assignment of a /64 prefix for usage by an internal container or VM. > > > On 8/9/2024 7:56 AM, Timothy Winters wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 10:58 PM The Multach's <jmultach@swbell.net <mailto:jmultach@swbell.net>> wrote: > > > > The following, while being user focused, fails to take into > > account that > > some of those prefixes may be used internally (or reserved for > > internal > > use) by the CPE or for ISP purposes and not assignable: > > > > "SHOULD" (or an elongated exception for the above) would be more > > appropriate. > > > > LPD-4: After LAN link prefix assignment the IPv6 CE Router MUST > > make the > > remaining IPv6 prefixes available to other routers via Prefix > > Delegation. > > > > I think this covers that case. After local assignment, unused > > prefixes MUST be made available. > > LPD-2: The IPv6 CE Router MUST assign a prefix from the delegated > > prefix as specified by L-2 [RFC7084]. > > > > 7084 > > L-2: The IPv6 CE router MUST assign a separate /64 from its > > delegated prefix(es) (and ULA prefix if configured to provide > > ULA addressing) for each of its LAN interfaces. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > v6ops mailing list -- v6ops@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org> > > To unsubscribe send an email to v6ops-leave@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops-leave@ietf.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list -- v6ops@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to v6ops-leave@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops-leave@ietf.org> > > 45efe8dfc775213ded0fc41c7d84ccccb0d6aa20 _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list -- v6ops@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to v6ops-leave@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops-leave@ietf.org> > > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list -- v6ops@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to v6ops-leave@ietf.org
- [v6ops] Re: v6ops Digest, Vol 168, Issue 29 The Multach's
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Jatin
- [v6ops] Re: v6ops Digest, Vol 168, Issue 29 Timothy Winters
- [v6ops] Re: v6ops Digest, Vol 168, Issue 29 The Multach's
- [v6ops] Re: v6ops Digest, Vol 168, Issue 29 Timothy Winters
- [v6ops] Re: v6ops Digest, Vol 168, Issue 29 Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: v6ops Digest, Vol 168, Issue 29 Ted Lemon
- [v6ops] Dynamic addresses Brian E Carpenter
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Brian E Carpenter
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses The Multach's
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Ted Lemon
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Marco Moock
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Ted Lemon
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Ted Lemon
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses David Farmer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses David Farmer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Brian E Carpenter
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Brian Candler
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Brian Candler
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses David Farmer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Tim Chown
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Erik Auerswald
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses George Michaelson
- [v6ops] Re: v6ops Digest, Vol 168, Issue 29 Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses N.Leymann
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Marco Moock
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Brian E Carpenter
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Marco Moock
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Marco Moock
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Tim Chown
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses David Farmer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Marco Moock
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses David Farmer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses N.Leymann
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Brian E Carpenter
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses Ted Lemon
- [v6ops] Re: Dynamic addresses David Farmer