Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi for IETF Meetings
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From: Erik Nygren <erik+ietf@nygren.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:25:58 -0400
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi for IETF Meetings
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I'll add to the list of problems I run into on the NAT64 network: VPN with split tunnelling and DNS sent through the VPN means the DNS64 gets bypassed. I assume the same would hold true of clients overriding the advertised DNS servers (eg, using Google DNS). A local CLAT helps. Ideally VPNs doing split tunnelling could be made DNS64/NAT64 aware. And apps being clever enough to do their own DNS should ideally also resolve ipv4only.arpa via the system resolver to do their own DNS64 synthesis. - Erik. (Torn on which ietf we start this with...) [Sent from my IPv6 connected T-Mobile 4G LTE mobile device] On Jul 17, 2017 9:42 AM, "Mikael Abrahamsson" <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > So the dogfood that we need to try (now) is the one that can sever the >> “real” market, not the one that could serve the marked when they are ready >> to replace (in a big %) all the apps and devices that are IPv4 only. We >> could try this in a follow up phase (actually there is an SSID for that >> already). >> > > My android and iOS devices work great on IPv6 only using the proposed > suggestion. My MacOS and Windows do not (because they don't have the > 464XLAT or bump-in-the-API that is available on the mobile platforms). I > already know this. I don't need to prove it to anyone. > > It's premature to go IPv6 only on the main wifi before main operating > systems support the same mechanisms available on the mobile devices. > > 1. My "mosh" session only tries the same AF that it initially connected > to. If I initially connected on an IPv4 network, it will never connect to > anything on an IPv6 network. > > 2. My Windows VM which needs to reach IPv4 only resources have no way to > do this through the Parallels NAT44. I would need a CLAT for this. > > There are lots of desktop OS applications that do not work on IPv6 only > DNS64+DNS64 without CLAT. I have tried this, it doesn't work, there is no > need to do wider test. OS vendors need to implement CLAT (or equivalent) > for it to be viable. > > If the main wifi is going IPv6 only, I will run my mobile devices on it, > but I will immediately swap to the dual stack SSID for my computer. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > >
- [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Noah
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Noah
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Mark Elkins
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Stephen Honlue
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Noah
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Noah
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Dmitry Burkov
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Erik Nygren
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Simon Hobson
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Simon Hobson
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Erik Kline
- [v6ops] NAT64/DNS64 support in RIPE Atlas Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] NAT64/DNS64 support in RIPE Atlas Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] NAT64/DNS64 support in RIPE Atlas Gert Doering