Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 - additional security concerns
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 - additional
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Hi, It’s fine to talk about how to improve ND in this list. However, please change the subject, I don’t think it’s relevant to "I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01” Bob > On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote: >> 1. Public wifi networks (e.g. coffee houses, etc.) > > The BCP for this case is to isolate clients. > >> 2. College/University settings (some v6 traction here, but often not on student-device accessible LANs) > > For this it would be to give each dorm room its own subnet. > >> 3. Other networks which must admit untrusted clients/devices > > E.g. home networks? Or something else? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > --------------------------------------------------------------------
- [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 - ad… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Bob Hinden
- [v6ops] Improving ND security Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Tony Finch
- [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Improving ND security Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Bjoern A. Zeeb
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- [v6ops] Off topic: Teredo sunset -- Re: [EXTERNAL… Lencse Gábor
- Re: [v6ops] Off topic: Teredo sunset -- Re: [EXTE… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Off topic: Teredo sunset -- Re: [EXTE… Joseph Touch
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-grand-01 … Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Improving ND security Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Improving ND security Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Bob Hinden
- [v6ops] distributed vs centralized approaches to … Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] distributed vs centralized approaches… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-6man-grand … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] draft-ietf-6man-grand : sa… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-6man-grand … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] draft-ietf-6man-grand : sa… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Warren Kumari
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] draft-ietf-6man-grand : sa… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] draft-ietf-6man-grand : sa… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] draft-ietf-6man-grand : sa… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Gyan Mishra
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups Templin (US), Fred L