Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organizations
"Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> Thu, 16 October 2014 13:03 UTC
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From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com>
To: Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com>, Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organizations
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On 10/15/14, 6:04 PM, "Christopher Morrow" <christopher.morrow@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>- A set of communities that indicate whether a prefix is a more specific >>that is covered by an aggregate and/or is safe to filter without loss of >>connectivity. >> > >so, add communities to global routes, because people don't strip these >in ingress as a matter of best practice? (if you don't you REALLY >should consider it, i think) Right.. Even if we could make the communities not be stripped (not proposing that), the originator would still not know the policy between any two ASNs ‹ not even the receive policy of its direct neighbor! So the originator still couldn¹t guarantee that the route is in fact covered. The only way to determine coverage and no connectivity loss is on the receive side. There you can look at the incoming routes and determine how the routes overlap and mark them appropriately according to local policy. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-white-grow-overlapping-routes Alvaro.
- [v6ops] Deaggregation by large organizations Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Deaggregation by large organizations Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] Deaggregation by large organizations Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Enno Rey
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Enno Rey
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Russ White
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Enno Rey
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data (was: Deagg… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Matthew Petach
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Matthew Petach
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data (was: Deagg… Marc Binderberger
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data (was: Deagg… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data (was: Deagg… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data (was: Deagg… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data (was: Deagg… Marc Binderberger
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data (was: Deagg… Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] renumbering [was Deaggregation by large o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Matthew Petach
- Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organiz… Iljitsch van Beijnum