[v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issues and uncertainties
Klaus Frank <klaus.frank@posteo.de> Tue, 30 August 2022 01:38 UTC
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Subject: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issues and uncertainties
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Hi, from a twitter discussion I had with other admins I'd like to forward a problem to this mailing list. When designing and deploying a redundant IPv6 network with two uplinks the current design is to use IPv6-PI space for the internal network. But when we would scale this approach to all businesses that have (or want to have) redundant uplinks it would pollute and fragment the global routing tables (making full table lookups harder). Someone said that they consider using NAT66 for this. But as we all know NAT66 is exactly what we don't want with IPv6 ;-) For client only networks we could just deprecate the prefix on switchover, but that would only allow a active-passive utilization while both are active. But for servers? Also another issue is that at least here none of the standard contracts with ISPs contains BGP for announcing the IPv6-PI space. And only increasing the plan to an enterprise level with a way higher monthly fee is also an adoption blocker compared to just buying multiple of the cheaper lines with IPv4. So therefore these questions arise: * Is there anything that admins can do right now (without an updated or additional RFC) to solve this? * Is doing a "full view" just something one shouldn't be doing anymore with IPv6? * Considering the above, is the best way to buy services from a centralized anycast as a service provider and have a redundant connection to them? (Which kinda would work against the reason why we have people doing full view BGP in the first place. It also kinda would introduce a new single point of failure into the High Availability environment). * Mobile IPv6 also looks kinda interesting in this context, but I don't know of any suitable suitable real world deployment. Esp. not over WAN. * Am I just not seeing the forest for the trees? Sincerely, Klaus Frank
- [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issues an… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Xipengxiao
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Gabor LENCSE
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Xipengxiao
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Kevin Myers
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… tom petch
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Simon
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Xipengxiao
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… tom petch
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Simon
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Simon
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Simon
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Simon
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Klaus Frank
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Dual ISP deployment operational issue… Vasilenko Eduard