Re: [v6ops] A broken promise - "You said PD Prefix Valid Lifetime is going to be X" (Re: SLAAC renum: Problem Statement & Operational workarounds)

Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Fri, 01 November 2019 11:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] A broken promise - "You said PD Prefix Valid Lifetime is going to be X" (Re: SLAAC renum: Problem Statement & Operational workarounds)
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2019, 21:42 Philip Homburg, <pch-v6ops-9@u-1.phicoh.com>
wrote:

> > > "Hope" doesn't make networks run properly.
> >
> > This isn't "Hope", this is breaking promises, and that does break
> > networks. If you can't at least trust that promises are intended
> > to be kept then you have no network at all...
>
> Maybe somebody can do a text analysis and show which promise is broken.
>
> The typical case is a CPE rebooting, requesting a prefix using DHCPv6 and
> getting a different prefix from before.
>

It shouldn't be. That's why clients have DHCP Unique Identifiers (DUIDs)
that should be persistent across client restarts (or CPE reboots).

>From RFC 8415 (the new RFC 3315)

binding                   A binding (or client binding) is a group of
                             server data records containing the
                             information the server has about the
                             addresses or delegated prefixes in an
                             Identity Association (IA) or configuration
                             information explicitly assigned to the
                             client.  Configuration information that has
                             been returned to a client through a policy,
                             such as the information returned to all
                             clients on the same link, does not require
                             a binding.  A binding containing
                             information about an IA is indexed by the
                             tuple <DUID, IA-type, IAID> (where IA-type
                             is the type of lease in the IA -- for
                             example, temporary).  A binding containing
                             configuration information for a client is
                             indexed by <DUID>.  See below for
                             definitions of DUID, IA, and IAID.



"The DUID is
   designed to be unique across all DHCP clients and servers, and stable
   for any specific client or server.  That is, the DUID used by a
   client or server SHOULD NOT change over time if at all possible; for
   example, a device's DUID should not change as a result of a change in
   the device's network hardware or changes to virtual interfaces (e.g.,



Mrugalski, et al.            Standards Track                   [Page 32]

------------------------------

  <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8415#page-33>RFC 8415
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8415>                      DHCP for
IPv6                November 2018


   logical PPP (over Ethernet) interfaces that may come and go in
   Customer Premises Equipment routers).  The client may change its DUID
   as specified in [RFC7844 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7844>]."





> As far as I know, there is no text that requires a DHCPv6 server to return
> the previous lease if it is still valid.
>
> The next question would be, if the CPE would try to renew the old prefix
> and
> the DHCPv6 server declines. Is there any text the requires a DHCPv6 server
> to do that.
>
> Then the question is, if a CPE reboots can it continue to use the old
> lease?
> Typically, link attachment requires obtaining a new lease. But I don't know
> if that is specified anywhere.
>
> I do know that some routers do not install a forwarding entry if you don't
> get a new lease. I don't think we have any spec for that.
>
>
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