Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications

"Heatley, Nick" <nick.heatley@ee.co.uk> Mon, 13 July 2015 07:40 UTC

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From: "Heatley, Nick" <nick.heatley@ee.co.uk>
To: Ross Chandler <ross@eircom.net>, IPv6 Ops WG <v6ops@ietf.org>, David Schinazi <dschinazi@apple.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications
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Agree. Each market must make tariffing decisions independent of IP protocol choice.


-----Original Message-----
From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Chandler
Sent: 13 July 2015 08:25
To: IPv6 Ops WG; David Schinazi
Cc: Vividh Siddha
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications

Hi David,

Could you look at supporting this common handset/hotspot APN case with IPv6 & IPv4 APN protocol on two separate bearers with the latter only brought up when hotspot is on. 

Like Nick indicates there are unpalatable business implications that effectively block iOS deployment with IPv6-only. Until the business starts asking for IPv6 we need ways of making the transition that are minimally disruptive. 

Ross

> On 2 Jul 2015, at 08:40, Heatley, Nick <nick.heatley@ee.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I don't know what a mobile operator with a common Internet APN strategy can do about tethering/hotspot then?
> Other than redefining all the business logic that leads to a common Internet APN.
> 
> (I hope you agree, the ability to services all device types on the 
> wifi is mandatory - even iOS customers might have laptops of various 
> OS in their home or business.) Nick
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Schinazi [mailto:dschinazi@apple.com]
> Sent: 01 July 2015 23:29
> To: Heatley, Nick
> Cc: Ross Chandler; Vividh Siddha
> Subject: Re: [v6ops] Apple and IPv6, a few clarifications
> 
> Nick, Ross,
> 
> Sorry about the delay.
> 
> As far as I know, this is not currently supported:
> 
>> Does/could iOS allow this?
>> 
>> Handset APN name = Hotspot APN name
>> 
>> but with
>> 
>> Handset APN protocol = IPv6-only  & Hotspot APN protocol = IPv4-only
> 
> 
> David

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