Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-dhcp-pd-per-device-04
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-dhcp-pd-per-device-04
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> On Nov 7, 2023, at 02:34, Philipp S. Tiesel <phils@in-panik.de> wrote: > > > >> On 7. Nov 2023, at 11:12, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote: >> >> What's missing here is that we need home routers to reject anything smaller than a /64 in order for this to be a good solution. > > Do we expect that dhcp-pd-per-device sets standards to ISPs? This would be a great mis-match! > > If you asked me to draft a minimal recommend pd-sizes BCP, I would probably end up with: > > Recommend Minimal > /48 /52 Small/Medium Business broadband > /56 /56 Home User broadband > /64 /64 Cellular handset broadband > /64 /80 Physical Device (e.g. Enterprise client device) > /80 /96 Virtual Maschine > > The questions are > a) Should we write such a document? > b) Is it really strongly related to dhcp-pd-per-device? > c) Have we any means of enforcing such a BCP? I don’t care about such a document one way or the other, but if you were to write it, I’d probably push hard for (at least): Recommend Minimal /48 /49 Small/Medium Business broadband (per site as defined in ARIN policy) /48 /56 Home User broadband /62 /64 Cellular handset broadband (Let’s at least facilitate tethering to Bluetooth and WiFi) /64 /80 Physical Device (e.g. Enterprise client device) /64 /96 Virtual Maschine Owen
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Lorenzo Colitti
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Nick Buraglio
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Owen DeLong
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Alexandre Petrescu
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Lorenzo Colitti
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Lorenzo Colitti
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Ivan Pepelnjak
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Ivan Pepelnjak
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Ivan Pepelnjak
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Erik Nygren
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Martin Huněk
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Alexandre Petrescu
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
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- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Delong.com
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Philipp S. Tiesel
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Philipp S. Tiesel
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf… Owen DeLong
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