Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life
"Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)" <jonne.soininen@nokia.com> Thu, 18 November 2004 19:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life
From: "Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)" <jonne.soininen@nokia.com>
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Alain, On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 19:41, ext Alain Durand wrote: > On Nov 16, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > in the interest of time, I would propose that a *simple* goals document > > is written that comprises the requirements from all three requirements > > documents. This is then used as a guideline when designing the > > protocol. > > Also I'm a bit afraid if we start elaborated requirements/analysis/gap > > analysis/etc. this project will take number of years or we don't even > > wg > > started as we cannot show that we really need this new protocol. > > > > Basically, I propose that we combine the current requirements to a > > single document that the authors of the current document do together - > > in fairly short time. Parallel to that people would submit their > > protocol proposals as Internet-Drafts. > > This is the process I have described in my previous mail, where things > will get done in parallel. However, one should not confuse speed with > rush, > and there are serious tradeoff to consider in the different avenues in > the solution > space, and it is worth spending some time (a couple months at most) > looking at them. > This, of course, should not stop people from submitting their protocol > proposal > as individual ID. I do too agree, but still a little disagree. I think we have looked at these requirements quite long already and they should be in pretty good shape in general. Now we just have to take out the conflicts - if any. Anyways, I think somebody said that in requirements work it's (generally) better to look at the intersection of the requirements and not the union of the requirements. This may somewhat apply here as well. > > > Then we just do a quick analysis on the mailing list of the protocols > > vs. the requirements and choose the one that seems to be the best fit > > as > > a *baseline* document. > > There is no such thing as a "quick analysis on the mailing list", you > know that. Alain, maybe I stated too strongly my wish to do the analysis relatively quickly and painlessly. I don't want to start another two year project of scenarios and analysis. Cheers, Jonne. > > - Alain. -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nokia.com _______________________________________________ v6tc mailing list v6tc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6tc
- [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Rémi Després
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Alain Durand
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Tim Chown
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Alain Durand
- RE: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Karen E. Nielsen (AH/LMD)
- RE: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Pekka Savola
- RE: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Karen E. Nielsen (AH/LMD)
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Alain Durand
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
- Re: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Alain Durand
- RE: [v6tc] v6tc - is there life Karen E. Nielsen (AH/LMD)