Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and/or TSP
Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> Tue, 12 April 2005 14:43 UTC
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From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
To: Jerome Durand <jdurand@renater.fr>
Subject: Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and/or TSP
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Jerome Durand wrote: >> IMHO, with an informational spec and deployed code, the market can already >> decide between the two if it comes to that. > > I am not sure I understand the goal of "Informational" here if there are > implementations behind? Shouldn't it be PS? The point is that an Informational RFC can be produced quickly, with a disclaimer like, ===== IESG Note This RFC is not a candidate for any level of Internet Standard. The IETF disclaims any knowledge of the fitness of this RFC for any purpose and notes that the decision to publish is not based on IETF review apart from IESG review for conflict with IETF work. The RFC Editor has chosen to publish this document at its discretion. See RFC 3932 for more information. ===== in essence, such Informational RFCs don't get the official IETF "seal of approval", thorough review, can be insecure, etc. -- but may be sufficient to create interoperable implementations. Proposed Standard has a much higher bar.. what's the point (if ISPs want something today if not 3 years ago) if we spin a year or two revising and maybe even making backwards-incompatible changes to the spec? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ v6tc mailing list v6tc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6tc
- [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts (fwd) Pekka Savola
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- [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
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- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Thomas Narten
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- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Fwd: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
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- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Thomas Narten
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
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- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
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- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jerome Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
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- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts W. Mark Townsley
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- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Francis Dupont
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Francis Dupont
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
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- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts W. Mark Townsley
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… W. Mark Townsley
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- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Alain Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Francis Dupont
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- Re: l2tp support on OS's Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling… Jeroen Massar
- Re: l2tp support on OS's Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling… W. Mark Townsley
- Re: l2tp support on OS's Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling… Francis Dupont
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Jerome Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Jerome Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Tim Chown
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Tim Chown
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
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