Re: [VCARDDAV] Registration request for a new GENDER value "X" to indicate nonbinary

["Emily Love Mills (she/her)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Matthew!

Last I heard, this was stalled waiting for a decision from the JMAP working group decision for JSContact, so that the standards could match to make translations easy. It looks like they've since made a decision, https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/jmap/rbta_aGaDkdVFbOfIUkkQ66Kgpg/ so I expect this will get rolled into an equivalent VCARD SPEAKTOAS property. I'd love to hear an update on this as well!

Solidarity,
Emily Love Mills (she/her)
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On Tuesday, April 26th, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Bischoff <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Emily,
>
> Sorry to revive such and old message, but I’ve spent the morning reading through your previous posts on the GENDER and PRONOUN fields and would love to get involved in helping to write / provide feedback on the related RFCs, if you or anyone else could use another set of eyes.
>
> For context, I’ve been making the case to folks on the Apple side that these fields should be added to Contacts.app for a while. Here’s a recent feedback I filed with the Contacts team: https://openradar.appspot.com/radar?id=5556338377621504. An engineer there suggested I get involved here since this work would likely intersect.
>
> Let me know if I can be of any assistance and where I should look for any ongoing discussion.
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew Bischoff (they/them)
>
>> On Jan 6, 2022, at 5:05 PM, Emily Love Mills (she/her) <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for that context! Didn't know this discussion was underway!
>>
>> I see how the current proposal is insufficient for the grammaticalGender purposes. An idea I'd propose is giving the PRONOUN property the same structure as the GENDER property. Each PRONOUN value could consist of a structured component along with free-form text. The first component indicating the grammatical gender of the pronouns, with the second being the free-form text entry. The proposed list in JSContact of "animate", "female", "inanimate", "male", "neuter" looks reasonable for this purpose. As Darcy suggests in that thread, these classifications are more specifically related to pronouns than gender. I'm not confident it's possible to make an exhaustive language-agnostic structure to store every pronoun variation, but the grammaticalGender proposal seems like a good compromise to balance complexity between applications reading vCards and applications writing them.
>>
>> Examples:
>>
>> PRONOUN:M;he/him/his
>> PRONOUN:N;they/them
>> PRONOUN:F;
>> PRONOUN:;xe/xir
>>
>> Emily Love Mills (she/her)
>> [e-mail]
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Thursday, January 6th, 2022 at 3:08 PM, Bron Gondwana <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Emily,
>>>
>>> There's discussion about exactly this happening over in the JMAP working group for how we handle gender and pronouns in the JSContact format.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, we're currently planning to re-charter the CALEXT working group to bring VCARD work into scope, since there isn't currently a working group for maintaining VCARD. The plan is to move JSContact there so there's a single place. Aligning this update to VCARD with the JSContact work so that it's easy to translate between the two would be ideal.
>>>
>>> You're very welcome to join the discussion on the JMAP mailing list in the meanwhile - most recently this thread:
>>>
>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/jmap/YzXaBSO55yWfATzmeTb1bcPydtE/
>>>
>>> We'll keep working on JSContact in the JMAP working group until the charter change for CALEXT is done.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Bron (a working group co-chair for both those two working groups)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022, at 07:27, Emily Love Mills (she/her) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi! Please find below my registration request for a new GENDER value "X" to indicate nonbinary.
>>>>
>>>> Value: X
>>>>
>>>> Purpose: Indicates that the entity the vCard represents has a nonbinary sex designation.
>>>>
>>>> Conformance: This value can be used with the sex component of the value on the "GENDER" property.
>>>>
>>>> Example(s):
>>>>
>>>> GENDER:X;Nonbinary
>>>>
>>>> Emily Love Mills (she/her)
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