IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [VCARDDAV] Adding pronoun property to vCard

Ronald Tse <tse@ribose.com> Tue, 07 July 2020 10:54 UTC

Return-Path: <tse@ribose.com>
X-Original-To: vcarddav@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: vcarddav@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E672C3A0AE9 for <vcarddav@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 03:54:02 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.1
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ribose.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8iqVHqb4DqxB for <vcarddav@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 03:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from APC01-SG2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr1310080.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.131.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FC6C3A0AA0 for <vcarddav@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 03:53:59 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=RblOfDxoabXJ/Z/3JB/EFTjBUkBSu4GCoaza1Nn9TR5QfvxNY76Mvpld5VB1QJQ5tuyna74zRLXK4FzPuNVXpZrUmDvVIcFiw5YKVtoZaVXbYKR+xF4O0eya1v9bA4icsWYcL+PkMaEJWNaKGjG/xybdiay4+r7Cmf0wP6BZkktcFLQkzzuV6agXZltkczNco9vIPtHM/zAmUQNozb9Yq9z6Bw3+Fo+y/qa40Yc0N5OtKOGyxEylXcn/bhxH8lmikCZv2Ng4oWfaTWqO9un24DUcxQm9ecK8tP58TqVWBWtsAPZ65Fb6tOtRYLrPAyJ1LQlNMu2Zgviq6vzIdsfJnQ==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=AQd4RkdlP7Q3dDWo0p6FvgwcAyobh89Dp0Kh66QTIV0=; b=mOFyxeNm1Eh2KlasiNxB3T0IeT09YRfsS8NGO/lQZ4HT3mzUlN+sMgsK9uwD3hC0BUtBOVioK2D4hqOvP/Mq7QPZ+0bGdPCgid/45ihqwwuHAGH9l6PwxADDLJ9xyYbl8YMDlp6OpN2eRY/mhYQWex+VKRg+dvXotlYIcPqP2AXHA2M2P7Y8evejGdeA31agiWXCJFUwicEf0o8M8XDLjZ2PmbWzPeSprwkdiuSZ4t8Z78qZJP/LeunZ5YsUJ544Z+G9WJaA1XKKvUYlAdIZ0kkW8BrnVkAmOOD3dYOpN/U9NaA53bUKN0OkCSuatDWDdrcr2WymYK1bXz2lffRAZQ==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ribose.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=ribose.com; dkim=pass header.d=ribose.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ribose.com; s=selector2; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=AQd4RkdlP7Q3dDWo0p6FvgwcAyobh89Dp0Kh66QTIV0=; b=uM3ZzB1OFzXKayYTtTKKlwKdf4CXhSWJUDfhAQrWaf2W8wnf8Wl7HLn+GFAuA/M+QZWliNMnbGIzywb5UKBA44yOMYwaPIbztMP1bLlDvAbUlpmdIxyZH/9bUtiR7gmqV0970zNIhVMc6x/rW9i7GehuKqiofCiPLOGrQ0cQOms=
Received: from HK0PR01MB2900.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:1096:203:98::14) by HKAPR01MB3569.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:1096:203:d2::16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3153.23; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 10:53:57 +0000
Received: from HK0PR01MB2900.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com ([fe80::682c:a7c4:77ed:7221]) by HK0PR01MB2900.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com ([fe80::682c:a7c4:77ed:7221%5]) with mapi id 15.20.3153.029; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 10:53:57 +0000
From: Ronald Tse <tse@ribose.com>
To: Simon Perreault <Simon.Perreault=40logmein.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk>, VCardDav <vcarddav@ietf.org>, Jeffrey Lau <jeffrey.lau@ribose.com>
Thread-Topic: [VCARDDAV] Adding pronoun property to vCard
Thread-Index: AQHWVEzpZ6gJwbb9YEqRhpxYtpEYTg==
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:53:56 +0000
Message-ID: <32D7C751-6FAC-4DCF-9695-A0D874B694A3@ribose.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: dmarc.ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc.ietf.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=ribose.com;
x-originating-ip: [58.153.245.161]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: b32998ff-899e-4f43-c89d-08d822640c3c
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: HKAPR01MB3569:
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <HKAPR01MB35693D72D4EEF2937D490B00D7660@HKAPR01MB3569.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:4502;
x-forefront-prvs: 0457F11EAF
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: UCvN+k4+mY12kCAeEes7oroNqneqNH7jCNBcTL15s/VHFKAodoLhdjppWRNn4OsX9XvzuQaCnXfcNrvE/juGb5dNjt+ZpRXr7dbMTMZIoiH0QkgQo2N+EzrLt3BBGTCx9TBCqayA+5Q/aYtVhOieWNW+uXK53Ap9lQK3ht8706NJUcYac5zqzSkTEHglT9ouUG8jWIHA6tdgV2pXtbBVOpa1G40vOw7lxcdQv44iezllqpOUtJ4IS22GrHzFzFd+c4SPDO0K/jIuHqRcX48J2yquA3wROyKd6AcTqzBZuKl0xklP4Ky41i8CSDv59ivfqevA01QUZCn+fLavxfua5o3fLg2lTa+GjxLmJ6VTYZZrE0c05EGiGFRNuu1YlYQ+Q2RqTE7B5HldDLmCFP45+w==
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:HK0PR01MB2900.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFTY:; SFS:(136003)(346002)(366004)(376002)(396003)(39830400003)(71200400001)(54906003)(36756003)(26005)(8936002)(8676002)(316002)(33656002)(6486002)(4326008)(2616005)(83380400001)(86362001)(107886003)(186003)(6512007)(2906002)(66946007)(66446008)(66556008)(66476007)(64756008)(76116006)(5660300002)(508600001)(6506007)(53546011)(966005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 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
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_32D7C7516FAC4DCF9695A0D874B694A3ribosecom_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: ribose.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: HK0PR01MB2900.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: b32998ff-899e-4f43-c89d-08d822640c3c
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 07 Jul 2020 10:53:56.7980 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: d98a04ff-ef98-489b-b33c-13c23a2e091a
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: JZdLZvCKKGOr8GqhydcbSMB6mnRTZAUYCE531CRFZSvbcj5+S5QmhcJFU9+oNGmJ
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HKAPR01MB3569
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/vcarddav/X5FdCrWqLOnqbbjHta7eO_G9Nfw>
Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] Adding pronoun property to vCard
X-BeenThere: vcarddav@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF vcarddav wg mailing list <vcarddav.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/vcarddav>, <mailto:vcarddav-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/vcarddav/>
List-Post: <mailto:vcarddav@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:vcarddav-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vcarddav>, <mailto:vcarddav-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:54:03 -0000

I support this property to be included in the vCard given the valid use cases.

This property will have to support multiple language and scripts as there are quite a few languages with gender pronouns.

I suppose the value accepted by PRONOUN would be free text since it would be hard to come up with a controlled vocabulary for it, not to mention there is no standard in doing so.

Not sure whether this is applicable to organizations, unless in some languages organizations have different genders...

Kind regards,
Ron

_____________________________________

Ronald Tse
Ribose Inc.

+=========================================================+
This message may contain confidential and/or privileged
information.  If you are not the addressee or authorized to
receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy,
disclose or take any action based on this message or any
information herein.  If you have received this message in
error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail
and delete this message.  Thank you for your cooperation.
+=========================================================+

On Jul 6, 2020, at 10:50 PM, Simon Perreault <Simon.Perreault=40logmein.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Is this an English-only property? If not, how does it work with other languages?

On Jul 4, 2020, at 7:02 PM, Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 21:04, Jeremiah Lee <mass@jeremiahlee.com> wrote:

I am writing to explore this group's interest in adding a `PRONOUN` property
to the base vCard 4.0 specification

This seems well worth a discussion.

a KIND:organization might use "it".

Not necessarily; consider, in British English: "Pink Floyd are a rock
band, they are best known for Dark Side of the Moon" or "Harrods
launched their new sale yesterday".

--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__pigsonthewing.org.uk&d=DwICAg&c=k6LEwkJiSX1kJxtgPu1uYQ&r=HJa2lomdSuZZomw-mzc4J8jvjEZUO7GlyA5ZWN0raj0&m=d2NZ9xV5Uf-TyHeN77GiI4kWdqLWG2hx-pRqDqBjywk&s=B4d1eGQFwlgkgnsCU6Xug4Rtou37TnVHb-2j9ioA4mM&e=

_______________________________________________
VCARDDAV mailing list
VCARDDAV@ietf.org
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_vcarddav&d=DwICAg&c=k6LEwkJiSX1kJxtgPu1uYQ&r=HJa2lomdSuZZomw-mzc4J8jvjEZUO7GlyA5ZWN0raj0&m=d2NZ9xV5Uf-TyHeN77GiI4kWdqLWG2hx-pRqDqBjywk&s=2akJ9_fzFWS0Glfe6BwzuIscN8Go0F8lvERrgDvwoGQ&e=

_______________________________________________
VCARDDAV mailing list
VCARDDAV@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vcarddav

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email