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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:31:22 +0900
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From: Daisuke Miyakawa <d.miyakawa@gmail.com>
To: Simon Perreault <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca>
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Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] Questions about vCard 4.0 (draft rev-11)
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+1 to Javier's plan

2010年6月24日6:35 Simon Perreault <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca>:

> On 06/23/2010 01:52 PM, Javier Godoy wrote:
> > I though that FN was (1,n) because the name of the same person may be
> > written in different languages (or scripts), and not because one person
> > could have different names in the same language.
>
> No. See section 5.1:
>
>   Properties with different LANGUAGE parameters that represent the same
>   data count as 1 toward cardinality and MUST have the same PID value
>   if the PID parameter is used.  This is because there is logically a
>   single property which is expressed in multiple languages.
>
> FN is plural because there may be multiple valid ways of representing
> one's name. Some could be preferred.
>
> > On the other side, ORG
> > is (0,n) not only because the name of the same organization may be given
> > in different languages, but also because the same individual may be
> > related to several organizations.
>
> ORG is (0,n) *only* because the same individual may be related to
> several organizations.
>
> > I would use the preferred one, if the PREF parameter is provided. In
> > case of tie, or if no SORT-STRING is provided,  would choose any of them
> > (i.e. undefined)
>
> Yes, that's a valid algorithm. I suppose we'll leave this to the
> implementors...
>
> >> Now, one thing that I like about your example is the use of the LANGUAGE
> >> tag. We need to at least add an example where the LANGUAGE tag is also
> >> applied to the SORT-STRING property.
> >
> > LANGUAGE is not a parameter for SORT-STRING. Adding a LANGUAGE would
> > allow different SORT-STRINGs for different languages while preserving
> > (0,1) cardinality.
>
> Yup, that's exactly what I meant. But now I prefer Cyrus's suggestion
> better. Let's make SORT-STRING a parameter.
>
> >> Example:
> >>
> >> ORG;LANGUAGE=ja:日本の組織  # "Japanese organization"
> >> ORG;LANGUAGE=en:Japanese organization
> >> ORG-SORT-STRING;LANGUAGE=ja:にほんのそしき
> >>
> >> (I'll figure out an equivalent example in French since we can't have
> >> Japanese characters in RFCs...)
> >
> > I don't think there is an equivalent example in US-ASCII.
>
> Then you'll be surprised by what I come up with. ;)
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
> --
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> vCard 4.0               --> http://www.vcarddav.org
>



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Daisuke Miyakawa (宮川大輔)
d.miyakawa@gmail.com

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