Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER
Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu> Fri, 17 December 2010 00:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 16:19, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote: > On 12/16/10 4:58 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 15:40, Sarah Dopp <sarah@sarahdopp.com> wrote: >> >>> Tantek, do you think there are cases where a form will ask users for both >>> their sex AND their gender? >> >> Implicitly, yes, and there are already some (a few) sites that do this. >> >> That is, there are sites (e.g. Digg, and previously, Pownce) that >> provide a long list of possible "Gender" values which are a >> combination of various "male" labels, "female" labels, and other >> labels. By choosing one of these options, the user chooses a gender >> identity label, and an implied sex in many of the cases as well. >> >> >>> Your system sounds like good data management: it >>> will allow any system to have either pre-defined or free-form values without >>> one data set muddling up the other. >> >> This is *precisely* correct, and in fact, the goal here is to allow >> for backward compatibility with the (perhaps simplistic) data models >> of some sites, while enabling such systems to evolve to allow more >> options for the sex component and finer granularity of gender >> identity. > > Hi Tantek and Sarah, > > Are you proposing that we have two fields, SEX and GENDER? > > The SEX field would have values of M,F,U,O, but could be left empty. > > The GENDER field would be free-form text. > > Am I hearing you correctly? Not two fields. One structured field "GENDER" with two components: "sex" and "gender identity", as described here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/VCard4-draft-13-review#GENDER These should not be disconnected into separate fields because they are frequently tightly dependent. This essence of the proposal (one structured field with two components) is unchanged since I wrote up my draft 13 review. Thanks, Tantek -- http://tantek.com/ - I made an HTML5 tutorial! http://tantek.com/html5
- [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER (was Re: I-D Acti… Tantek Çelik
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER (was Re: I-D … Simon Perreault
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Florian Zeitz
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Tantek Çelik
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Sarah Dopp
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Tantek Çelik
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Tantek Çelik
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Sarah Dopp
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Kevin Marks