Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER

Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu> Fri, 17 December 2010 00:39 UTC

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On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 16:19, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote:
> On 12/16/10 4:58 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 15:40, Sarah Dopp <sarah@sarahdopp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Tantek, do you think there are cases where a form will ask users for both
>>> their sex AND their gender?
>>
>> Implicitly, yes, and there are already some (a few) sites that do this.
>>
>> That is, there are sites (e.g. Digg, and previously, Pownce) that
>> provide a long list of possible "Gender" values which are a
>> combination of various "male" labels, "female" labels, and other
>> labels.  By choosing one of these options, the user chooses a gender
>> identity label, and an implied sex in many of the cases as well.
>>
>>
>>> Your system sounds like good data management: it
>>> will allow any system to have either pre-defined or free-form values without
>>> one data set muddling up the other.
>>
>> This is *precisely* correct, and in fact, the goal here is to allow
>> for backward compatibility with the (perhaps simplistic) data models
>> of some sites, while enabling such systems to evolve to allow more
>> options for the sex component and finer granularity of gender
>> identity.
>
> Hi Tantek and Sarah,
>
> Are you proposing that we have two fields, SEX and GENDER?
>
> The SEX field would have values of M,F,U,O, but could be left empty.
>
> The GENDER field would be free-form text.
>
> Am I hearing you correctly?

Not two fields.

One structured field "GENDER" with two components: "sex" and "gender
identity", as described here:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/VCard4-draft-13-review#GENDER

These should not be disconnected into separate fields because they are
frequently tightly dependent.

This essence of the proposal (one structured field with two
components) is unchanged since I wrote up my draft 13 review.

Thanks,

Tantek
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