Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-phonetic-transcription-00.txt
Gren Elliot <fatkudu@gmail.com> Thu, 12 September 2013 10:18 UTC
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Hi, The draft talks about the Japanese specific Katakana and Hiragana. It would be nice if these phonetic transcriptions were more generally useful. I believe the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) (see http://www.langsci.ucl.ac.uk/ipa/) seems to me to be the most sensible default. There are some clear issues with this though. I can't read it and I suspect most people can't. Producing values in IPA would be limited to the people who do understand it. One other possibility would be for address book software that would listen to someone saying a name and produce the appropriate VCARD properties (and also play it back if wanted). For Japanese people, using Katakana and/or Hiragana is more convenient, because they can write and understand it. However, many non-Japanese people would not understand it and it would be more useful for Japanese name phonetic information to be provided in another form, perhaps IPA or in a phonetic script that they are familiar with. To address one concern DataPacRat had regarding the variability of names, I believe it would be useful to have a new property for the whole name, say - PHONETIC-FULL-NAME. A simple example (I'm sure others can do better): For the Japanese food stuff "Sushi", the VCARD could contain the 2 properties, one useful to English students studying Japanese who haven't mastered Hiragana or Katakana yet and use the simple phonetic system called Furigana and one which is hopefully universally useful and could be used by generic international software to produce audio for one proper way (according to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sushi) to say the word. PHONETIC-FULL-NAME;VALUE=IPA-X-SAMPA:/"sUSi/ PHONETIC-FULL-NAME;VALUE=X-FURIGANA:sushi We would need new IANA tokens for acceptable VALUE settings. I suggest: IPA - The International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA). Unicode supports IPA symbols, so this should be usable. IPA-X-SAMPA - The Extended Speech Assessment Methods Phonetic Alphabet (X-SAMPA). Using IPA-X-SAMPA rather than X-SAMPA because the latter begins with "X-" and thus can't be used as a registered token. FURIGANA - Japanese phonetic alphabet HIRAGANA - Japanese phonetic alphabet I don't propose that we actually register FURIGANA as an accepted IANA token - I'm using it here because it is ASCII. Regards, Gren Elliot
- [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-phonet… Teiichiro Fukuda
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Daisuke Miyakawa
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Simon Perreault
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Teiichiro Fukuda
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… DataPacRat
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Teiichiro Fukuda
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Gren Elliot
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Michael Angstadt
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… DataPacRat
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Gren Elliot
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Gren Elliot
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Pete Resnick
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Barry Leiba
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [VCARDDAV] Review of draft-fukuda-vcarddav-ph… Teiichiro Fukuda