[VCARDDAV] two component GENDER (was Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-vcarddav-vcardrev-15.txt)

Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu> Thu, 16 December 2010 08:10 UTC

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Subject: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER (was Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-vcarddav-vcardrev-15.txt)
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 21:48, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote:
> Hi Tantek, thanks for the feedback.
>
> On 12/15/10 8:31 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
>
>> One particularly important feature change that I wanted to comment on
>> without delay however is the adoption of the new GENDER property.
>>
>> GENDER
>>
>> While I certainly applaud the increasing of flexibility from an enum
>> to plain text field, I'd like to please ask the group to consider
>> adopting the GENDER property as originally proposed with two
>> components, a sex enum (M(ale),F(emale),N(one),O(ther),U(nknown)) and
>> a plain text gender identity label. Both of these are necessary for
>> supporting flexibility for human diversity and for representing
>> existing publishing practices and gender specific search user
>> interfaces.
>>
>> The two component GENDER property proposal was met with approval by
>> Kevin Marks and Sarah Dopp:
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/vcarddav/current/msg01784.html
>>
>> And as a result I had presumed there was at least weak consensus in
>> the group on this specific proposal since there were no objections and
>> no further messages on that thread. I must admit I was a little
>> surprised to see a single component GENDER property instead (I am
>> assuming this was simply a minor oversight rather than an explicit
>> decision).
>>
>> I am more than happy to contribute specification text if necessary.
>> I've iterated a bit more here:
>>
>> https://wiki.mozilla.org/VCard4-draft-13-review#GENDER
>
> The meeting notes said:
>
>  - Resolution: Rename SEX to GENDER. Change values to (male, female,
>  <free-form text>). IANA registry for additional values that could be
>  reserved.

Right, this is what I didn't understand, as just a single text value
with 2 predefined values and <free-form text> was not proposed before
this.

> If I recall correctly, the idea was that free-form text would be
> allowed, such as:
>
>   GENDER:VALUE=text:Fellow

I think that's where the miscommunication was, probably due to my
failure to provide specific syntax examples at the time.  The idea was
that free-form text would be allowed IN ADDITION, such as:

GENDER:M;Fellow


> Instead of:
>
>   GENDER:male

Instead of

GENDER:M


> People could also register well-known values, such as:
>
>   GENDER:queer
>
> You seem to be proposing that the free-form text would supplement one of
> the defined values (or no value at all). Correct? I just want to make
> sure that I understand the proposal.

Close.

GENDER:;queer

(though in practice I'd expect many values, like 'queer', to be left
unregistered, as different people have quite different definitions).

More examples:

GENDER:M
GENDER:F
GENDER:M;Fellow
GENDER:F;Bird
GENDER:O;intersex
GENDER:;queer

All from here for reference:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/VCard4-draft-13-review#GENDER

Thanks,

Tantek

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