From nobody Tue Jun 6 01:41:56 2023 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2ADC151534 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 01:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VCwE1Jr_P4kx for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 01:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36B2FC17EB66 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 01:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frapeml100003.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.201]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4Qb3mx03cwz67h3H for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 16:39:29 +0800 (CST) Received: from frapeml500003.china.huawei.com (7.182.85.28) by frapeml100003.china.huawei.com (7.182.85.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2507.23; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 10:41:27 +0200 Received: from frapeml500003.china.huawei.com ([7.182.85.28]) by frapeml500003.china.huawei.com ([7.182.85.28]) with mapi id 15.01.2507.023; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 10:41:26 +0200 From: Georgios Karagiannis To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Shenzhen Thread-Index: AdmYUqyVPxSEDtmHS/K7aY6lonU+4w== Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 08:41:26 +0000 Message-ID: <54241ee078054e73bec498c101107d3d@huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.221.77.212] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_54241ee078054e73bec498c101107d3dhuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Shenzhen X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2023 08:41:55 -0000 --_000_54241ee078054e73bec498c101107d3dhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, When studying the IETF venue assessment reports of Beijing and Shenzhen, I = have seen that, in several analyzed topics, the analysis is not complying w= ith the experience that I have had when visiting these two cities. In this context, I would like to mention that my office is located in Germa= ny, I am leaving in the Netherlands and I am Greek from origin, having the = Christian orthodox religion. Would like to inform you that I am visiting China since 2014. In particular= , I have visited Shenzhen regularly. Before the COVID-19 pandemic this was = once or twice per year. Visited Shenzhen as well once this year. Beijing I = have visited only once in 2014. This is why I am mainly focusing on the IETF Venue Assessment report for Sh= enzhen, but what I mention in this email could easily apply as well for the= IETF Venue Assessment report for Beijing. During my visits to China, I try to combine the business trip with sightsee= ing and as well on learning the Chinese culture and Chinese history. That is why, when reading the IETF Venue Assessment reports for Shenzhen an= d Beijing, I felt disappointed, since they are not representing, in several= analyzed topics, my experience for these two cities. Please note that, except the COVID-19 pandemic period, I have never had iss= ues with the travel (international or within the city), nor finding a resta= urant, nor issues related to my religion. There are some issues with the un= filtered network for the IETF meeting, but such issues were solved for othe= r meetings, which other SDOs had in China and as well for large internation= al conferences organized in China. Therefore, I am confident that such issu= es can be solved as well for our IETF meetings. When I am flying to Shenzhen, I am flying to Hong Kong and then take: (1) e= ither a ferry to Shenzhen - Shekou port and then continue the travel by tax= i towards my destination, (2) or take a shuttle/taxi that goes directly to = your destination and departures from the Hong Kong airport. Usually, the taxi drivers are not speaking English. Therefore, I am having = (printed or on my phone) the destination address in English and as well the= translated version in Chinese (using Google translation, for example). Thi= s works all the time. When I am going outside in the city, I never felt unsafe. Most of the peopl= e are helpful when you ask them something. As I mentioned, from religion perspective, I am Christian orthodox, and I h= ave never been asked, neither by the boarder control, neither by Chinese pe= ople that I know nor by Chinese people that I met once and had conversation= with, about my religion. What I want to say is that when visiting Shenzhen and Beijing, I have never= felt unsafe, nor discriminated based on the fact that I was not Chinese no= r based on the fact that I have the Christian orthodox religion. Therefore, I would like to recommend that Shenzhen (and as well Beijing) as= being suitable and viable locations for an IETF meeting. 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Hi all,

When studying the IETF venue assessment reports of B= eijing and Shenzhen, I have seen that, in several analyzed topics, the anal= ysis is not complying with the experience that I have had when visiting the= se two cities.

In this context, I would like to mention that my off= ice is located in Germany, I am leaving in the Netherlands and I am Greek f= rom origin, having the Christian orthodox religion.

Would like to inform you that I am visiting China si= nce 2014. In particular, I have visited Shenzhen regularly. Before the COVI= D-19 pandemic this was once or twice per year. Visited Shenzhen as well onc= e this year. Beijing I have visited only once in 2014.

This is why I am mainly focusing on the IETF Venue A= ssessment report for Shenzhen, but what I mention in this email could easil= y apply as well for the IETF Venue Assessment report for Beijing.

During my visits to China, I try to combine the busi= ness trip with sightseeing and as well on learning the Chinese culture and = Chinese history.

That is why, when reading the IETF Venue Assessment = reports for Shenzhen and Beijing, I felt disappointed, since they are not r= epresenting, in several analyzed topics, my experience for these two cities= .

Please note that, except the COVID-19 pandemic perio= d, I have never had issues with the travel (international or within the cit= y), nor finding a restaurant, nor issues related to my religion. There are = some issues with the unfiltered network for the IETF meeting, but such issues were solved for other meetings, whic= h other SDOs had in China and as well for large international conferences o= rganized in China. Therefore, I am confident that such issues can be solved= as well for our IETF meetings.

When I am flying to Shenzhen, I am flying to Hong Ko= ng and then take: (1) either a ferry to Shenzhen – Shekou port and th= en continue the travel by taxi towards my destination, (2) or take a shuttl= e/taxi that goes directly to your destination and departures from the Hong Kong airport.

Usually, the taxi drivers are not speaking English. = Therefore, I am having (printed or on my phone) the destination address in = English and as well the translated version in Chinese (using Google transla= tion, for example). This works all the time.

When I am going outside in the city, I never felt un= safe. Most of the people are helpful when you ask them something.

As I mentioned, from religion perspective, I am Chri= stian orthodox, and I have never been asked, neither by the boarder control= , neither by Chinese people that I know nor by Chinese people that I met on= ce and had conversation with, about my religion.

What I want to say is that when visiting Shenzhen an= d Beijing, I have never felt unsafe, nor discriminated based on the fact th= at I was not Chinese nor based on the fact that I have the Christian orthod= ox religion.

Therefore, I would like to recommend that Shenzhen (= and as well Beijing) as being suitable and viable locations for an IETF mee= ting.

Best regards,

Georgios

 

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