[Venue-selection] Paris (and general)
Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 18 April 2016 18:24 UTC
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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:24:10 -0700
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Thank you for updating the meeting planning procedures to permit the community to provide early feedback. I note that France has implemented a "*Loi interdisant la dissimulation du visage dans l'espace public", *which imposes a 150 Euro fine on those who wear face coverings in public. This includes those who wear the niqāb as part of their religious practice. The law, after a challenge, has been upheld by the European Court of Human rights, though many see it as part of an anti-religious (or specifically anti-Muslim) aspect of French society. I do not know of any IETF participant who wears the niqāb or a similar face covering, and I strongly suspect that for the IETF's usual participants, the relevant law is not directly an issue. I mention it, despite that, to point out that I have much less insight into whether or not this has an impact on the families of current or potential IETF participants. There may be no one; there may be a dozen--I just don't know. The institution of the companion program has increased the visibility of families joining IETF participants, and it is clear that some participants see venues that are friendly to family travel as a benefit. But it's not currently clear where that accommodation falls in site selection or where it should. To clarify that, I suspect that the IAOC will ultimately need to lead a community discussion on the extent to which the accommodation of accompanying family members should be considered in site selection. How to factor specific issues in this category into our meeting planning is part of what came up for Singapore, but the question does not really end there. It touches not just on pretty much every aspect of diversity, but on basic issues of travel freedom. While many of us and our families have a relatively unfettered access to tourist travel, for some of our colleagues the ability to get a business travel visa to a specific destination in no way guarantees that their family could get tourist visas to accompany them to a specific site. What that means for a site's suitability is not clear, at least to me. Thank you for your work on this difficult problem and, once again, for the opportunity to provide early feedback. That transparency offers us new opportunities to move the discussion forward before the impact must be measured for specific individuals or meetings. regards, Ted Hardie
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