[video-codec] The Can Has Landed
Monty Montgomery <xiphmont@gmail.com> Thu, 19 March 2015 15:33 UTC
Return-Path: <xiphmont@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: video-codec@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: video-codec@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CC21ACDA2 for <video-codec@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 0.7
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A6gw--L91lgU for <video-codec@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com (mail-lb0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 674961A19E5 for <video-codec@ietf.org>; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:33:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by lbcgn8 with SMTP id gn8so55490795lbc.2 for <video-codec@ietf.org>; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:33:36 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OtHUG40oBTgvFgjVdBNy7K1MZOxtoRErOUAAaPvD9Rk=; b=xWW/JliSAmM8uta8AmCHLgweK17hhuEcPgPZjGo/CPhQaRvmXIacQqS+1CtUn2amDJ ChAt2Vn4HREjX3ybgCKH8q3afS3ghq5SVrEPAnNxvGG+m+59kD+4di6xJayBgt96V8Fe BYrVVj1befo7JoApS/JvWfUc/cA00pXWWvHyOluZT4TN8m0o25wrWAZxZcSP2IWaa3rX CIm9mTCGsKJ3PNR0dD1kna7327Wb44juPa2xr8RULLBhWDI+g9xDjaGR2ciZPV+Mz/Z0 9ZPz9uQDSlcKTYgZIKYqoSnwwzZQJGjyu1EgUAAZkLsJGImauXBDo5QJBqPt2GZzsHB5 y0Ug==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.112.29.231 with SMTP id n7mr66462803lbh.99.1426779216860; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:33:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.112.188.134 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:33:36 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 11:33:36 -0400
Message-ID: <CACrD=+_D+psUeWevMuwp0bnxqdcJpo3Zo3Og4E6kkGH1uuzxdA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Monty Montgomery <xiphmont@gmail.com>
To: "video-codec@ietf.org" <video-codec@ietf.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/video-codec/G9DWsuivTUV4Y1YbrlPCWPLKays>
Subject: [video-codec] The Can Has Landed
X-BeenThere: video-codec@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Video codec BoF discussion list <video-codec.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/video-codec>, <mailto:video-codec-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/video-codec/>
List-Post: <mailto:video-codec@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:video-codec-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/video-codec>, <mailto:video-codec-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:33:42 -0000
Hello to everyone interested in Daala, NetVC, and the run up to the netvc BoF on Tuesday at IETF92 in Dallas! While I'm mentioning the BoF I'd also like to remind folks that the Hackathon on Saturday and Sunday includes NetVC and a decent portion of our own Daala team will be there. Physical attendance at the hackathon required registration that's already closed due to the limits of the room, but the Daala team will be in the #daala IRC channel on Freenode the whole time, pretty much like we always are... online participation is always welcome and encouraged! And now to the pep talk... In 2013, Cisco announced the OpenH264 licensing hack as a step toward ending a long-standing and frustratingly non-technical roadblock to WebRTC: h.264, though dominant, is unlicenseable by Free and Open Source entities. I wrote at the time that although I supported the practical aspects of the OpenH264 deal, "Licensing caused this problem, and more licensing is not a solution. [...] We've merely kicked the can down the road and set a dangerous precedent for next time around."* We're now standing where the can takes its first bounce. NetVC is our collective opportunity to reverse that precedent and to give the Internet and Open Web the only fundamental Free technology it lacks: a fully modern video codec with no 'permission required' strings attached. The elevator pitch here is very simple: We must make for video what Opus is for audio. Video will never be a first-class citizen on the Net so long as it is only available to the 'haves' who are able to license the required commercial technology. Judging by the relative calm of the netvc mailing list, I don't think we (the proponets of netvc) face the same kind of controversy this time around as we did at the time of 'codec' BoFs. That's a bit ironic, actually, as a video codec is a substantially more challenging technical undertaking. I do think there likely is some quiet skepticism-- there would have to be-- and so I'd like to invite the skeptics and Devil's Advocates to speak up here in the days before the BoF. I doubt it will shorten the lines at the microphones, but perhaps the arguments will be more focused and better honed at that time. I'm not saying 'speak now or forever hold your peace'. I'm just trying to shift the discussions that would normally start in a cramped uncomfortable room to the mailing list a little early. Cheers, Monty of Xiph Moz Daala * http://xiphmont.livejournal.com/61927.html
- [video-codec] The Can Has Landed Monty Montgomery
- Re: [video-codec] The Can Has Landed Keith Winstein
- Re: [video-codec] The Can Has Landed Thomas Daede
- Re: [video-codec] The Can Has Landed Keith Winstein
- Re: [video-codec] The Can Has Landed Monty Montgomery
- Re: [video-codec] The Can Has Landed Timothy B. Terriberry
- [video-codec] Performances, measurement of same (… Harald Alvestrand
- [video-codec] Performances, measurement of same (… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [video-codec] Performances, measurement of sa… Mohammed Raad
- Re: [video-codec] Performances, measurement of sa… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [video-codec] Performances, measurement of sa… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [video-codec] Performances, measurement of sa… Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)