IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [vmeet] what's been working/failed/tried in hubs?

Christian O'Flaherty <oflaherty@isoc.org> Fri, 07 October 2016 20:12 UTC

Return-Path: <oflaherty@isoc.org>
X-Original-To: vmeet@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: vmeet@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2017129587 for <vmeet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.922
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.922 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isoc.onmicrosoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BlHMAwbKueby for <vmeet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2nam02on0066.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.38.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B8791293E9 for <vmeet@ietf.org>; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=isoc.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-isoc-org; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=YvBOdvdSeSuQMSWj5BVdOSTcXGXqeYgX7mKKdlym2tY=; b=qmZ+S2erJeS8iwxZxJqH+kBqWdWnP/1ilzOdGvHgKTMGp2ZfAijOdTTanfx0uDe4kwo0z11ns4wkA01trA7GPQLSnXY+dOLonyiOQDGmZohjCf7WvnNQ8ngovojQ9ydnAX/L1z+H9yA60zqrATFLtN2fCaIYJmQOA7p4R/FcBWk=
Received: from MWHPR06MB2846.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.175.138.11) by MWHPR06MB2846.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.175.138.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.649.16; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 20:12:08 +0000
Received: from MWHPR06MB2846.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.175.138.11]) by MWHPR06MB2846.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.175.138.11]) with mapi id 15.01.0649.026; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 20:12:08 +0000
From: Christian O'Flaherty <oflaherty@isoc.org>
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Thread-Topic: [vmeet] what's been working/failed/tried in hubs?
Thread-Index: AQHSH4Rx7KqJG1yz70uVIoJ/cfCeG6CdbxyA
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 20:12:08 +0000
Message-ID: <BCD8FF11-6277-466F-B74E-8AF5939758ED@isoc.org>
References: <CAG4d1re1td4oaPpHMHn7Ka4OYT37B6QRsygM1uvWZhDTzqyJGA@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAG4d1re1td4oaPpHMHn7Ka4OYT37B6QRsygM1uvWZhDTzqyJGA@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=oflaherty@isoc.org;
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-originating-ip: [200.7.85.235]
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: d512c322-df39-410b-3764-08d3eeee371d
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; MWHPR06MB2846; 6:8P7XomLuyIhNh2/TufWqcADlb1DcYzxSsFaHNtFnql9X6MAKcZ3BYLuT1Omh3LnQsEGv8GxKjIzBETKSs82Njp8MModbvK+VkIa2pddExmzR9bkeIVGtARGHBoQOmVhL4LfcKT9+cDEenPi8QRkAsV9dxtebj7urlLPT8gEYxUaYXLG57l1DgCGsyJHtsIWpVmJuZZn/023aTHtaDsonspbkfF1ZLYXP67zZwZh/TTCCIq/KVO74ZM/LhOW1F+3VAXH9oAlWcC17N/XMGOa6l3H1oKUBi+VA9NTzlSPCq1fkBRd6LTAYCKD99Ur1oE1Z; 5:lp+EP+rISdEv3UHE2gZyAAH3JReVm9VstcmhRpWLGrVhHjnMWbbRH8O2CfF2Hv7+C/BQmQiB8CxwBHZVqp8b27nrOEph8gJPKbhPHrox2WC0DDycujn+REgSMUa+UYIQIsyBsn6dfIOmtTxMjUBW/JEnEiXsUbsrlVlBFhtVmcQ=; 24:3tTHqoLS1n7KNR1oaS34mTEicTFFybHceFdNldDIXE6FAh9VnVRnkzE4gHa7+0uUO5rBMz7B873jHJltcB7OEZm6DOKXTzkeHusbXVfgu6A=; 7:xC7pn/4nPF++JA04FjAN85ueefZoXqzuWEeQ/JYV7aNlQkPI5q8V0q+NinxW5DTbwh4lzwDCN5B0W8iXfnjbj0HfV1s7myYfyYyOoABG4QcFWromoBZXZ/2+psFfLqmKaKsuq24llglvni++94WQne+xIMa1FoFLcL/mNi///A14qexkGMEaZOdwVFW5UKxH4Yyt8T+jEtrN0DB1KXtQErfwzq05DedwLPgJsGJ4EF0ajJnjD/fQmNqY6Kx7tZfJ+xVOL7qUOmcxIwkBXtaR963twYxf/6Pl7ktEZ5NoQeuj4z7ZHNy9EWlswV1/iUNj1acR2VstWzNOC8YQHzvceg==
x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:MWHPR06MB2846;
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <MWHPR06MB2846C4B9862BD26B5EDCB369CEC60@MWHPR06MB2846.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:;
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(6040176)(601004)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(10201501046)(3002001); SRVR:MWHPR06MB2846; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:MWHPR06MB2846;
x-forefront-prvs: 0088C92887
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(7916002)(189002)(199003)(4326007)(83716003)(586003)(189998001)(2906002)(86362001)(82746002)(76176999)(54356999)(106116001)(33656002)(106356001)(50986999)(11100500001)(3660700001)(3280700002)(87936001)(305945005)(7736002)(7846002)(77096005)(15975445007)(36756003)(3846002)(6116002)(102836003)(2900100001)(1411001)(110136003)(5002640100001)(10400500002)(5660300001)(8676002)(68736007)(92566002)(105586002)(101416001)(81156014)(15395725005)(8936002)(2950100002)(6916009)(66066001)(81166006)(122556002)(19580395003)(99286002)(97736004)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:MWHPR06MB2846; H:MWHPR06MB2846.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: isoc.org does not designate permitted sender hosts)
spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99
spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <72952297E79BF24E9C5677CDE1610F87@namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: isoc.org
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 07 Oct 2016 20:12:08.1779 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 89f84dfb-7285-4810-bc4d-8b9b5794554f
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MWHPR06MB2846
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/vmeet/z-4YtL_taQBMbeOdGfPgkjQgR7E>
Cc: "juliao@braga.eti.br" <juliao@braga.eti.br>, "vmeet@ietf.org" <vmeet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [vmeet] what's been working/failed/tried in hubs?
X-BeenThere: vmeet@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF remote participation meeting services discussion <vmeet.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/vmeet>, <mailto:vmeet-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/vmeet/>
List-Post: <mailto:vmeet@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:vmeet-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet>, <mailto:vmeet-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 20:12:13 -0000

Hi Alia,

There’s a draft that will be updated soon with some experiences and recommendations.  

Some comments inline:

> I am curious about how the various IETF Hubs have been doing?
> What activities have you tried and found useful/successful/interesting?

Hubs in Latin America have been diverse:
	Some hubs were just a small gathering for remote WG session participation only.
	Some hubs were meetings with an introduction/presentation and then the WG session (sometimes with local explanations and discussions in parallel) 
	Some had a previous introduction webinar to prepare participants 
	Some hubs were organized for IETF promotion and the WG session itself was less important (more local activities)
	Sometimes (in Brazil) they were organized as remote "IETF meetings” were the students had a WG to attend in each slot.
	Some hubs were co-located with other events (academia) were a meeting room had the remote WG session

> What did you try that failed miserably?

In some cases the hubs had as few as three or four participants… but I would not consider it a failure. 
There were hubs that failed because remote participation was impossible (low quality) and they did something else. 

> Do you have a community organizer (or group of folks) pushing the organization
> of the activities and facilitating?

Yes… there’s always an organizer / facilitator

>   Do you have different people stepping up to pull things together?  

Yes… I’m including Juliao Braga from Brasil who is the main one in our region.

> 
> What is your participation like?  Is it largely experienced IETFers?  researchers & students? interested developers?

We’ve been using them for IETF engagement so they’re usually not experienced IETFers, mostly students and professors, some network operators. I’m not aware of developers but some students can count as such. 

> 
> Personally, I'm brainstorming a bit about what might be useful to try in the Boston Hub and how much to push or encourage structure.  It feels like some can be quite useful.

Please don’t consider our experiences as “best practice”. We do have completely different needs and objectives for remote hubs in our region. 

Christian

> 
> Thanks,
> Alia
> _______________________________________________
> NOTE WELL: This list operates according to
> http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html.
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet

v2.8.7 | Report a Bug | By Email